Why is the Trinidad-Winky Wright fight impossible to find on YOutube?

[TitoFan]

LMAO!! Oscar's hilarious pounding of the canvas in "agony" was anything but "man-like".... give me a break. It even had people wondering about the fight itself.

Was Hopkins vs DeLaHoya a fix? - East Side Boxing Forum


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And what boxer doesn't come up with excuses as to why he lost the fight? JCC Sr. was more of a bitch when he refused to acknowledge that Frankie Randall had kicked his ass. It happens when you lose your undefeated record.

[Violent Demise]

LMAO!! Oscar's hilarious pounding of the canvas in "agony" was anything but "man-like".... give me a break. It even had people wondering about the fight itself.

Was Hopkins vs DeLaHoya a fix? - East Side Boxing Forum


did Oscar De La Hoya take a dive against Hopkins? [Archive] - Boxing Forum



And what boxer doesn't come up with excuses as to why he lost the fight? JCC Sr. was more of a bitch when he refused to acknowledge that Frankie Randall had kicked his ass. It happens when you lose your undefeated record.

I gave you facts straight from your idols mouth. And you come back with posters opinions? Not only that but opinions from the fucking idiots at East Side. The same forum that believes Trindad really loaded his gloves until Hopkins caught him. Are you fucking kidding me? You were better of saying you had nothing and instead of embarrassing yourself yet again.

[TitoFan]

Before this escalates, let me just say it's a matter of personal opinion.

You prefer your own idol, who pounded the canvas in a pitiful, chicken-shit, show that was ridiculed by the fans and press alike. If there nothing to question, no one would've mentioned it..... remember that. His adventure above 147 was a joke, just to say he had done it.

You also conveniently ignored my comment about ALL undefeated fighters making excuses when they lose their first fight. Just watch your other idol, JCC Sr., act like an idiot after losing to Frankie Randall.

I'll take Trinidad losing to Hopkins and going down fighting, rather than bitching out from a phantom liver shot, followed by an Oscar-worthy (pun fully intended) performance.

ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

I say tomato...... you say tomatoe.
It's a never-ending difference of opinion and no one besides us really gives a shit.

So let's agree to disagree..... AGAIN.

[Violent Demise]

Before this escalates, let me just say it's a matter of personal opinion.

You prefer your own idol, who pounded the canvas in a pitiful, chicken-shit, show that was ridiculed by the fans and press alike. If there nothing to question, no one would've mentioned it..... remember that. His adventure above 147 was a joke, just to say he had done it.

You also conveniently ignored my comment about ALL undefeated fighters making excuses when they lose their first fight. Just watch your other idol, JCC Sr., act like an idiot after losing to Frankie Randall.

I'll take Trinidad losing to Hopkins and going down fighting, rather than bitching out from a phantom liver shot, followed by an Oscar-worthy (pun fully intended) performance.

ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

I say tomato...... you say tomatoe.
It's a never-ending difference of opinion and no one besides us really gives a shit.

So let's agree to disagree..... AGAIN.

So apparently there is something to question about Trinidad wraps since it was mentioned, right? Your words. Not mine. The discussion is about Del La Hoya and Trinidad. You bringing up Chavez has nothing to do with it. You do it cuz you're getting smashed it the debate and wish to change topic. Like you always do. I could of easily of brought up Juan Manuel Lopez blaming the ref for his loss. But we are not discussing Lopez.

[TitoFan]

Before this escalates, let me just say it's a matter of personal opinion.

You prefer your own idol, who pounded the canvas in a pitiful, chicken-shit, show that was ridiculed by the fans and press alike. If there nothing to question, no one would've mentioned it..... remember that. His adventure above 147 was a joke, just to say he had done it.

You also conveniently ignored my comment about ALL undefeated fighters making excuses when they lose their first fight. Just watch your other idol, JCC Sr., act like an idiot after losing to Frankie Randall.

I'll take Trinidad losing to Hopkins and going down fighting, rather than bitching out from a phantom liver shot, followed by an Oscar-worthy (pun fully intended) performance.

ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

I say tomato...... you say tomatoe.
It's a never-ending difference of opinion and no one besides us really gives a shit.

So let's agree to disagree..... AGAIN.

So apparently there is something to question about Trinidad wraps since it was mentioned, right? Your words. Not mine. The discussion is about Del La Hoya and Trinidad. You bringing up Chavez has nothing to do with it. You do it cuz you're getting smashed it the debate and wish to change topic. Like you always do. I could of easily of brought up Juan Manuel Lopez blaming the ref for his loss. But we are not discussing Lopez.

And I've been the first to criticize JuanMa about his comments about the ref, VD... and you know that. I brought up Chavez with good reason. You're criticizing Trinidad for giving excuses after losing to B-Hop, and I'm reminding you that other undefeated fighters give shitty excuses and act like sore losers.... including Chavez when he lost his "0". Your criticisms have to be across the board to be credible, VD.

Losing the debate is a matter of opinion. You're barely holding your tongue, 'cause normally you would've erupted into insults by now, and spiraled downhill from there. So credit for that. But difference in opinion is difference in opinion. Doesn't make yours any more right than mine.

[Master]

Hopkins carried ODH, that was the biggest fight in boxing history, Ring even bought out a special magazine for the fight. Hopkins was hoping for a rematch but Oscar fell down and cried like a bitch.

Biggest fight in history? It wasn't even close to being as big as Oscar-Tito (which sold/made much more) let alone bigger than Tyson-Lewis-Holyfield etc. Hopkins was "only" on $8million

It was hyped up that is all I was saying. Hopkins was toying with Oscar he could have ended it earlier but I think he wanted it to go to a points decision so he could earn another big payday. Hopkins was saying it in the interview after the fight.

[Violent Demise]

Before this escalates, let me just say it's a matter of personal opinion.

You prefer your own idol, who pounded the canvas in a pitiful, chicken-shit, show that was ridiculed by the fans and press alike. If there nothing to question, no one would've mentioned it..... remember that. His adventure above 147 was a joke, just to say he had done it.

You also conveniently ignored my comment about ALL undefeated fighters making excuses when they lose their first fight. Just watch your other idol, JCC Sr., act like an idiot after losing to Frankie Randall.

I'll take Trinidad losing to Hopkins and going down fighting, rather than bitching out from a phantom liver shot, followed by an Oscar-worthy (pun fully intended) performance.

ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

I say tomato...... you say tomatoe.
It's a never-ending difference of opinion and no one besides us really gives a shit.

So let's agree to disagree..... AGAIN.

So apparently there is something to question about Trinidad wraps since it was mentioned, right? Your words. Not mine. The discussion is about Del La Hoya and Trinidad. You bringing up Chavez has nothing to do with it. You do it cuz you're getting smashed it the debate and wish to change topic. Like you always do. I could of easily of brought up Juan Manuel Lopez blaming the ref for his loss. But we are not discussing Lopez.

And I've been the first to criticize JuanMa about his comments about the ref, VD... and you know that. I brought up Chavez with good reason. You're criticizing Trinidad for giving excuses after losing to B-Hop, and I'm reminding you that other undefeated fighters give shitty excuses and act like sore losers.... including Chavez when he lost his "0". Your criticisms have to be across the board to be credible, VD.

Losing the debate is a matter of opinion. You're barely holding your tongue, 'cause normally you would've erupted into insults by now, and spiraled downhill from there. So credit for that. But difference in opinion is difference in opinion. Doesn't make yours any more right than mine.

It's one thing to make excuses in the heat of the moment like Chavez and Lopez did. To a degree it's understandable. Trinidad excuses didn't come in the heat of the moment. They came 9 years later. That's just being a bitch

[TitoFan]

It's one thing to make excuses in the heat of the moment like Chavez and Lopez did. To a degree it's understandable. Trinidad excuses didn't come in the heat of the moment. They came 9 years later. That's just being a bitch

How's THIS for heat of the moment?




Trinidad blamed his pregnant mistress..... Chavez blamed his sick son.
Give it up, VD.

Take your loss straight up..... you'll look better.

[Violent Demise]

It's one thing to make excuses in the heat of the moment like Chavez and Lopez did. To a degree it's understandable. Trinidad excuses didn't come in the heat of the moment. They came 9 years later. That's just being a bitch

How's THIS for heat of the moment?




Trinidad blamed his pregnant mistress..... Chavez blamed his sick son.
Give it up, VD.

Take your loss straight up..... you'll look better.

You're trying way to hard. And failing. All he said was what happened during his training camp. Show me where he said he would of won if Omar hadn't gotten sick. Or where he said it would of been a different outcome. Your embarrassing yourself like you always do.


What affected me were the towers, and the date change also had to do with it. But the situation with my wife is what I had on my mind. That was the main thing, more than anything. Thank God, we overcame it."

If the fight would have went forward on the 15th, Trinidad doesn't think the final result would have been the same because he wouldn't have had all of the personal problems weighing heavy on his mind.

"if the fight had been on 15th, the story would have been different," Trinidad said.

That's a direct quote. Towers. Date. Whore. There was no excuse he wasn't gonna use

[brocktonblockbust]

well well well-------this is turning into some quarrel here.

I think Oscar got the wind knocked out of him, but at first it looked fake to me, as he saw he was not going to win and it is easy to fake getting hurt by a body shot---the view is not that clear and the replays dont really show the shot clearly. Looks a bit fake, but the pounding the canvass is not necessarily fake. Buster Douglas pounded the canvass for example when Tyson decked him in the 8th. I have seen fighters pissed off that they went down. etc. Oscar was never going to beat Hop, though he won 2 rounds in my book that night.

As for Trinidad, he fought like a warrior against Hop always coming forward, but he really and truly got his ass handed to him that night, lost every single round, but I gave him the 6th or the 7th I cant remember which right now. No offense to anyone---I just never liked Trinidad, I know he had plenty of KOs and was aggressive and exciting and never retreated....I just never liked him --- I just thought he was too obnoxiously self-confident like Prince Nassim or Muhammad ali, I dont like that type of personality. Oscar on the other hand was never that way, I found his postfight interviews very calm and frank, he had no problem admitting his faults or why he lost.

[TitoFan]

No offense to anyone---I just never liked Trinidad, I know he had plenty of KOs and was aggressive and exciting and never retreated....I just never liked him

..... and that's cool, bro. All respect to you. No fighter in the history of boxing has ever been universally liked. But you and I can discuss things logically and rationally, because you're not so consumed by biased hate, that you would immediately dismiss everything someone else says to you..... unlike another someone I will choose not to mention at this time.

Looks a bit fake, but the pounding the canvass is not necessarily fake. Buster Douglas pounded the canvass for example when Tyson decked him in the 8th. I have seen fighters pissed off that they went down. etc.

Bro.... Douglas was decked by a vicious uppercut from one of the hardest punchers in history. PLUS.... he was clearly dominating the fight to that point. He was pissed that he made a mistake, and allowed himself to get caught. MUCH different than DLH against B-Hop. Yes... as you clearly put it.... Oscar was not going to win that fight no matter what. When he went down from that glancing body shot, he pounded the canvas again and again and again (bad acting job). Everybody and their brother questioned not only the punch, but the fight itself. BIG DIFFERENCE from the Douglas fight.

I can tell this to you, because you're a logical thinking adult. I mention it to the other guy, whose name will remain unsaid, and all he does is begin with the insults and shit. Which is why I've given up on the use of logic with him.

As for Trinidad, he fought like a warrior against Hop always coming forward, but he really and truly got his ass handed to him that night, lost every single round, but I gave him the 6th or the 7th I cant remember which right now.

Yes he did, Brock. And even though you intensely disliked Trinidad, as you said yourself, you're adult enough and man enough to give him his props on that. He lost convincingly? Yes he did. I've always been adult and man enough to admit THAT. But again..... we're discussing this like two rational adults.

I just never liked Trinidad, I know he had plenty of KOs and was aggressive and exciting and never retreated....I just never liked him --- I just thought he was too obnoxiously self-confident like Prince Nassim or Muhammad ali, I dont like that type of personality.

.... and again, that's fine, Brock. To each his own. We all have our own tastes. One thing I can tell you about Trinidad though, is that he enjoyed fighting inmensely. He came into the ring with a smile, and enjoyed every single thing about the fight game. He loved representing his country, and that's why he's so beloved here in Puerto Rico. He was also extremely fan-friendly. Never did he turn away a request for an autograph or picture. I met him personally, and can attest to that.

He made excuses when he lost? Yes. So do a lot of other WINNING fighters. Like I proved to the other dude although he won't admit it..... you lose your undefeated record.... 99% chance you'll be making excuses. It goes with the territory. Only a damn fool would say only this fighter does it, "but not MY fighter". And no... Oscar was not prone to make excuses. But he had plenty of other things I didn't like. Like I said, to each his own.




Always a pleasure discussing issues with a fellow adult.

[brocktonblockbust]

No offense to anyone---I just never liked Trinidad, I know he had plenty of KOs and was aggressive and exciting and never retreated....I just never liked him

..... and that's cool, bro. All respect to you. No fighter in the history of boxing has ever been universally liked. But you and I can discuss things logically and rationally, because you're not so consumed by biased hate, that you would immediately dismiss everything someone else says to you..... unlike another someone I will choose not to mention at this time.

Looks a bit fake, but the pounding the canvass is not necessarily fake. Buster Douglas pounded the canvass for example when Tyson decked him in the 8th. I have seen fighters pissed off that they went down. etc.

Bro.... Douglas was decked by a vicious uppercut from one of the hardest punchers in history. PLUS.... he was clearly dominating the fight to that point. He was pissed that he made a mistake, and allowed himself to get caught. MUCH different than DLH against B-Hop. Yes... as you clearly put it.... Oscar was not going to win that fight no matter what. When he went down from that glancing body shot, he pounded the canvas again and again and again (bad acting job). Everybody and their brother questioned not only the punch, but the fight itself. BIG DIFFERENCE from the Douglas fight.

I can tell this to you, because you're a logical thinking adult. I mention it to the other guy, whose name will remain unsaid, and all he does is begin with the insults and shit. Which is why I've given up on the use of logic with him.

As for Trinidad, he fought like a warrior against Hop always coming forward, but he really and truly got his ass handed to him that night, lost every single round, but I gave him the 6th or the 7th I cant remember which right now.

Yes he did, Brock. And even though you intensely disliked Trinidad, as you said yourself, you're adult enough and man enough to give him his props on that. He lost convincingly? Yes he did. I've always been adult and man enough to admit THAT. But again..... we're discussing this like two rational adults.

I just never liked Trinidad, I know he had plenty of KOs and was aggressive and exciting and never retreated....I just never liked him --- I just thought he was too obnoxiously self-confident like Prince Nassim or Muhammad ali, I dont like that type of personality.

.... and again, that's fine, Brock. To each his own. We all have our own tastes. One thing I can tell you about Trinidad though, is that he enjoyed fighting inmensely. He came into the ring with a smile, and enjoyed every single thing about the fight game. He loved representing his country, and that's why he's so beloved here in Puerto Rico. He was also extremely fan-friendly. Never did he turn away a request for an autograph or picture. I met him personally, and can attest to that.

He made excuses when he lost? Yes. So do a lot of other WINNING fighters. Like I proved to the other dude although he won't admit it..... you lose your undefeated record.... 99% chance you'll be making excuses. It goes with the territory. Only a damn fool would say only this fighter does it, "but not MY fighter". And no... Oscar was not prone to make excuses. But he had plenty of other things I didn't like. Like I said, to each his own.




Always a pleasure discussing issues with a fellow adult.

thanks man. I am not a hater based on race or religion or anything. I just base it on personality I guess. Tito wasnt so bad after all I mean personality that is. I didnt hate him but I never liked him as a personality. I DO know he hit hard, and I like hard hitters. Foreman and Rocky are my 2 favorites I think.

[greynotsoold]

I always liked Trinidad, especially during his WW career. I think that,as he moved up, he got to left hook happy and sort of neglected his other weapons. (though he did win one of his 154 fights with a right hand to the solar plexus) Also, for what it is worth, Trinidad vs DLH was the only fight I can recall where I cheered for the PR fighter over the Mexican or Mexican-American fighter.
No ethnic issues here, I just grew up watching Lopez and Olivares, Chacon, et al...and spent my time in Mexican gyms.

[Spicoli]

I dunno man. I'm not huge on Oscar and he's alot of things but punk quitter doesn't come to mind. Fishnets and Manny stool aside. Wasn't that a liver shot? I've been hit in the liver by someone and would have prefered to be shot in the nuts. Slighting him is same as slighting Hopkins. It was a money grab fight..Oscar wasn't a middle at all...but he wasn't acting.

[Mr140]

I just don't really like Trinidad because he got a fucking huge gift against Oscar and i will never understand why he did it is like Bradley Pac no way he won that fight. Also i am not sure were people rate him but i think he was a huge welterweight and once he was not huge compared to his opponent and they boxed he looked a fool really. Some one at that level not being able to deal with movement really makes me wonder some times its like how can you not have any kind of plan b at all.