Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[nuggetdotcom]

Mike Tyson almost gets the Ike Ibeabuchi treatment from his supporters. There's constant "If only Tyson would have ______", "Tyson was negatively affected by ______", "Tyson should have _____".......all fighters great and poor deal with those kinds of things and true champions find a way to survive the adversity. People ignore the weaknesses of his style, they just choose not to see it...yes he was a great boxer but he was never unbeatable, no one is.

Mike Tyson was a great heavyweight, is he top 10...maybe, if not he's very close to it. I respect his skill and all he achieved but I never view him as this unbeatable indestructible God of a fighter...he's just a man always has been....where are the accolades for guys like Joe Louis who suffered a much more tormented time in the spotlight but successfully defended his title 25 times in a row or a guy like Rocky Marciano who retired undefeated?

Did the Rock ever have a world title fight against anyone under 40 years old? Just the luck of who's around at the time. Fighters like Ken Norton were just in the age group where they had a selection of 'greats' active at the time, for me Ken Norton beats Mike Tyson any day of the week.

[Master]

Ken Norton was destroyed by punchers- guess what Tyson was?

[nuggetdotcom]

Ken Norton was destroyed by punchers- guess what Tyson was?

Yes, a puncher against never wasers or over the hillers, punch deserted him against Evander did it? Twice? A Cruiserweight? The Real Deal? Man had no bottle, Ken Norton did, Evander did, end of.

[El Kabong]

some important things to remember about Ken Norton he had a very good jab, he was extremely strong, and he utilized the cross block defense which is something Tyson hadn't really dealt with but if Foreman could find an opening Tyson probably could.

[TitoFan]

I don't consider Tyson the best ever, but I do consider him at least top 10. The thing with Tyson was the fear factor. I don't know of any other HW in memory who instilled the pure fear in opponents that Tyson did. Maybe Foreman. And I know some opponents have gone in scared shitless against Wlad, but I don't fully understand that, given that Wlad is not the hellbent attacker Tyson was.

But Tyson was a fire hydrant of a man. Short, squat, focused on nothing but creating mayhem. Opponents were scared shitless of his flying left hooks which lifted him clear off the ground. He threw murderous punches with both hands. There was no "feeling out" process with Tyson at his peak. He came out bobbing and weaving and throwing bombs designed to decapitate a human being.

I've never seen a HW take a shameful dive like Bruce Seldon did against Tyson. He saw some missiles whizzing by, and started looking for a soft spot to land. The "punch" that knocked him out was actually the breeze from a missed shot. People at ringside must've detected a foul smell coming from Seldon's trunks.

Other guys came in with fancy robes and music. Tyson came in with a towel with a cutout for his head. No fancy trunks either... just basic black.

Ali didn't scare people like that. Neither did Lewis, Holmes, Frazier. Well... there's Liston. But Liston, like Foreman was a plodder in comparison. You could dance around a bit and delay the inevitable. Tyson was like a rabid pitbull.... practically running after you to knock your head into the seats.

Oh well..... it's too bad he self-destructed. He could've accomplished more than he actually did.

[Beanflicker]

If you think chinny, crab defense-using Ken Norton beats Mike Tyson, you are completely insane. I'd be amazed if he made it out of the 1st round. Mike Tyson is absolute poison for guys like him and Joe Frazier.

But you know who I think beats prime Tyson? This will piss off the Tyson lovers no doubt.... prime Klitschkos (yes, both of them).

[El Kabong]

If you think chinny, crab defense-using Ken Norton beats Mike Tyson, you are completely insane. I'd be amazed if he made it out of the 1st round. Mike Tyson is absolute poison for guys like him and Joe Frazier.

But you know who I think beats prime Tyson? This will piss off the Tyson lovers no doubt.... prime Klitschkos (yes, both of them).

I am not Beanflicker nor did I have anything to do with that post......buuuuuut now that someone mentions it