Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Master]

Vitali does not have quick hands he is very slow but has a good chin.

Wlad is better boxer and has quality but chin not the best.

A combination of the best of the 2 would beat Tyson but not as individuals.

Vitali and Wlad are hard to hit they just are. If working on the inside and getting punches off vs them was easy everyone would do it....it's not for lack of trying that fighters can't do that.

Vitali has one extremely dangerous weapon, his right cross and he feints so well with his jab that he can land lead rights all day long and he upper body movement is so good he's terribly hard to hit.

Wladimir has a more by the book technical style of fighting and if Lennox Lewis could handle Tyson then so could Wladimir. Wlad is more athletic than Lennox and Tyson would have to work extremely hard to stalk him down and by about round 4 the tide would start turning.

Lennox fought an old shell of a fighter so that is not a fair comparison. Vitali is slow and almost glumsy and
Tyson would have little trouble getting in and getting his punches off.

Wlad would be harder and has perfected his style but Tyson just has to get lucky once inside and the fight will be over.

[El Kabong]

Lennox fought an old shell of a fighter so that is not a fair comparison. Vitali is slow and almost glumsy and
Tyson would have little trouble getting in and getting his punches off.

Wlad would be harder and has perfected his style but Tyson just has to get lucky once inside and the fight will be over.

Clumsy LIKE A FOX! Vitali is an awkward fighter always has been, but I'll be damned if he hasn't been highly effective. He's only lost twice and only due to some freak injuries.

Think about this for a second Vitali is 6'8.....Mike Tyson would have a difficult time getting to him just based on how Tyson was effective. Tyson fought out of a crouch meaning he would have a looooong way to go a lot of space to cover before getting close with his punches. The time it would take Tyson to get from Point A to Point B would give Vitali an eternity to dodge punches or stick and move.

Tyson would have to be lucky more than once vs Wlad. Once might put Wlad down or hurt him but it wouldn't keep Wlad down....and how many times did 'Iron' Mike get off the canvas to come back and win fights 0

[Beanflicker]

Lennox fought an old shell of a fighter so that is not a fair comparison. Vitali is slow and almost glumsy and
Tyson would have little trouble getting in and getting his punches off.

I agree that Tyson vs Lewis is no fair comparison, because Tyson by that point was a ghost of his original form.

But Tyson did have occasional trouble getting off on big tall guys when they tied him up on the inside right away. Even bums like Mike Jameson had success in stifling Tyson's offense by tying him up and leaning on him.

[greynotsoold]

Lennox fought an old shell of a fighter so that is not a fair comparison. Vitali is slow and almost glumsy and
Tyson would have little trouble getting in and getting his punches off.

I agree that Tyson vs Lewis is no fair comparison, because Tyson by that point was a ghost of his original form.

But Tyson did have occasional trouble getting off on big tall guys when they tied him up on the inside right away. Even bums like Mike Jameson had success in stifling Tyson's offense by tying him up and leaning on him.

The thing about Tyson, he wasn't a real strong inside fighter, not ever. And that is odd, considering his stature, reach, etc...But, then again, it isn't really uncommon.
Tyson did his damage coming in; he'd slip a punch, duck, what ever, and counter, then he'd fall in and let himself get tied up. He certainly was a formidable body puncher, but it was the same sort of thing. He wasn't the type of fighter to get close and really work in the trenches.
Marciano was the same way, early in his career, fighting at a distance and closing ground behind the right hand, then getting tied up inside. Charley Goldman taught him to fight inside, shortened his stance to enable him to punch in close and so on. I don't think that the people around Tyson, not at any point in his career, were as boxing smart as Charley Goldman. So Tyson remained the guy that had to pot-shot you on the way in or lose the opportunity.

[Vendettos]

Lennox fought an old shell of a fighter so that is not a fair comparison. Vitali is slow and almost glumsy and
Tyson would have little trouble getting in and getting his punches off.

I agree that Tyson vs Lewis is no fair comparison, because Tyson by that point was a ghost of his original form.

But Tyson did have occasional trouble getting off on big tall guys when they tied him up on the inside right away. Even bums like Mike Jameson had success in stifling Tyson's offense by tying him up and leaning on him.

Until he was knocked out in the 5th.

[Beanflicker]

Until he was knocked out in the 5th.

True, but Mike Jameson ain't no Klitschko, either.

[bradlee180]

...and a prime Iron Mike Tyson circa 1986 to 1988 is no Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders, nor a Ross Purrity...

[Beanflicker]

...and a prime Iron Mike Tyson circa 1986 to 1988 is no Lamon Brewster, Corrie Sanders, nor a Ross Purrity...

We're talking prime for prime. The Wlad of the last 6 years or so is a much better fighter than the Wlad who got steamrolled by those guys, much like the Tyson who got destroyed by Evander and Lewis wasn't the same as the guy from 88.

[bradlee180]

I don't think the "Lets end the Mike Tyson debate" thread is going to end the Mike Tyson debate...