Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[cambay411]

I think he would beat anyone he lost to in his prime except one person. Holyfield.

Holyfield is the one person that would take all his punches and still out work Mike.

If you watch the second Holyfield Tyson fight, Tyson looked pretty good. I would almost say prime Tyson. I would love to have seen that fight play out. Holyfield would have won on points probably but none the less a good fight.

Not to mention Holyfield was head butting the sht outta Tyson. Im not saying Tyson should have bit his ear off but the ref should have took a point away at least. And with Holyfield head butting like he was, Tyson's dumbass (sorry Mike) was bound to do something stupid.

Who ever says Tyson is just an over rated puncher doesn't know the game. His headmovment is probably the best of all time.

[Master]

That last round where Tyson went into fury mode, hurt Holyfield but he could not sustain it as a prime version would have. That would have been good to see.

[Mr140]

Mater disagree when it comes to Tyson but you make some points and Holyfeild vs Tyson in there pump would of been something. But when Holyfield looked out he just come back like he was never hurt i say he still takes a close win with his head and holding when he needed to.

[bradlee180]

Could Holyfield have done it at Heavyweight without the juice?

When Holy was Cruiserweight Champ, the limit was 190 lbs, but Holyfield usually weighed in several lbs under at 186 lbs, 187, 188 lbs.
Holy wasn't sweating off lbs to make weight, he came in under, and he was like 25 years old at the time.

In April 1988, Holyfield scaled 190 lbs against Carlos DeLeon for his final Cruiserweight fight.
In Dec 1988, Holyfield scaled 212 lbs ripped against Pinklon Thomas.

Mr.Olympia legend Lee Haney was in charge of bulking up Holyfield back then.

Holyfield was a Great fighter, but how much did the steroids contribute? Steroids won't make a good fighter into a Great fighter, but I wonder how much did it contribute, and could he have done it at Heavyweight without the juice?

[cambay411]

Could Holyfield have done it at Heavyweight without the juice?

When Holy was Cruiserweight Champ, the limit was 190 lbs, but Holyfield usually weighed in several lbs under at 186 lbs, 187, 188 lbs.
Holy wasn't sweating off lbs to make weight, he came in under, and he was like 25 years old at the time.

In April 1988, Holyfield scaled 190 lbs against Carlos DeLeon for his final Cruiserweight fight.
In Dec 1988, Holyfield scaled 212 lbs ripped against Pinklon Thomas.

Mr.Olympia legend Lee Haney was in charge of bulking up Holyfield back then.

Holyfield was a Great fighter, but how much did the steroids contribute? Steroids won't make a good fighter into a Great fighter, but I wonder how much did it contribute, and could he have done it at Heavyweight without the juice?

Roids can definitely be the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter. You take any fighter and give them extra strength, speed and stamina and they will go up a level at least. Especially if they are a smart fighter.

Holyfield would have been great anyway but it could have been the difference in some fights as much as I hate to say it. IF he used roids I would loose much respect for him and that hurts me bad cause I LOVE Hoyfield.

I say "if he used roids" and I hope im not just in denial.

It really makes you think tho, how many ATG's have used roids?

[bradlee180]

Tommy Morrison was a good fighter, certainly Top 5 out of about a thousand licensed Heavyweight boxers. He didn't have that little extra bit of talent that makes a man Top 3 instead of top 5, and Morrison was on steroids.

Plenty of guys in MMA have tested positive, and they were not the outstanding fighters.

EDIT:
"If he used roids", Of course he used them!
From about 1988 till now, for 25 years, he's used them!

[cambay411]

Tommy Morrison was a good fighter, certainly Top 5 out of about a thousand licensed Heavyweight boxers. He didn't have that little extra bit of talent that makes a man Top 3 instead of top 5, and Morrison was on steroids.

Plenty of guys in MMA have tested positive, and they were not the outstanding fighters.

EDIT:
"If he used roids", Of course he used them!
From about 1988 till now, for 25 years, he's used them!

I know Ive read about it, im in denial probably. I mean look at how hes built.

[Boxer4life]

Could Holyfield have done it at Heavyweight without the juice?

When Holy was Cruiserweight Champ, the limit was 190 lbs, but Holyfield usually weighed in several lbs under at 186 lbs, 187, 188 lbs.
Holy wasn't sweating off lbs to make weight, he came in under, and he was like 25 years old at the time.

In April 1988, Holyfield scaled 190 lbs against Carlos DeLeon for his final Cruiserweight fight.
In Dec 1988, Holyfield scaled 212 lbs ripped against Pinklon Thomas.

Mr.Olympia legend Lee Haney was in charge of bulking up Holyfield back then.

Holyfield was a Great fighter, but how much did the steroids contribute? Steroids won't make a good fighter into a Great fighter, but I wonder how much did it contribute, and could he have done it at Heavyweight without the juice?

Roids can definitely be the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter. You take any fighter and give them extra strength, speed and stamina and they will go up a level at least. Especially if they are a smart fighter.

Holyfield would have been great anyway but it could have been the difference in some fights as much as I hate to say it. IF he used roids I would loose much respect for him and that hurts me bad cause I LOVE Hoyfield.

I say "if he used roids" and I hope im not just in denial.

It really makes you think tho, how many ATG's have used roids?

I actually just saw an inter view with Tyson where he said if he could do it all over again he would use steroids to enhance his ability, if he said that makes you think how many guys out there do it, considering most boxers have a whatever it takes mentality

[bradlee180]

I don't believe that drugs adds much to a fighter. Fighting is different from other athletics.
There's already tremendous variables in every fight. In combat-sports, I think the cream rises to the top even if the opponent uses drugs, takes liberties in the ring and in negotiations to try to get an edge.