Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[cambay411]

Cam are you telling me that journeyman don't juice they probably do it more then top guys but still cant win because they cant box well enough. It really is only unfair if most people aren't doing which i do not think is the case. If they are going to make the tests such joke they might as well make it legal to do.

No doubt journey men do.

Lets use this JMM vs Pac fight again for example. Pac is probably a rager. PED's likely gave him the ability, reaction, strength and reflexes to stay with JMM for 3 fights.

JMM comes in shredded for the 4th fight. Better than hes ever looked and at the age of 38!!! All the sudden the playing field is even and he KO's Pac in 6.

On an even playing field it would have been far more likely to happen in the first fight. Not to mention to 2nd and 3rd.

JMM only won 1 of those 4 fights. Not fair to JMM (if Pacs a juicer)

[Mr140]

Can you pick out when he juiced because as far as i know he passed all the test. That is the problem with the unfair cant tell when any of them started to or if they might of stopped testing is bad. If you want fair your not going to get it with a system like we have now and do you really care if juicing was legal to do in sports. We as fans always look for the best showing so if it can enhance the entertainment i am not sure why it is still illegal to do it seems like a real big step back wards why would we not want better people to watch.

[El Kabong]

I like how Page 9 of the "Lets end the Mike Tyson debate" now includes Juan Manuel Marquez and steroids too!

[Master]

I like how Page 9 of the "Lets end the Mike Tyson debate" now includes Juan Manuel Marquez and steroids too!

I was wondering the same. Tyson was not on PED drugs.

[cambay411]

I like how Page 9 of the "Lets end the Mike Tyson debate" now includes Juan Manuel Marquez and steroids too!

I was wondering the same. Tyson was not on PED drugs.

And the thing is we didn't even come close to ending the Tyson debate.

[Mr140]

I think it is funny you call anyone who gets in the ring scared have you ever done anything as daring i doubt you have ever in your life. As for the peds fuck yea they do them if they can make more money stay longer there on borrowed time, shit you shoot up to if it meant you could keep making money.

[Mr140]

As for Tyson he simple a top ten near the bottom because he lost all his big fights damn near. But he did have a good run before he got smashed. Him losing to top dogs in the 90's Lewis and Holyfeild don't really help his case to be near the top.

[cambay411]

I think it is funny you call anyone who gets in the ring scared have you ever done anything as daring i doubt you have ever in your life. As for the peds fuck yea they do them if they can make more money stay longer there on borrowed time, shit you shoot up to if it meant you could keep making money.

I feel you on that. Jumping the ring still takes balls.

Im in the ring damn near every day. Was strung out for like 10 years so never messed with ammy's. Only done like hooks for books type things.

Its simple:

Weak fighter- "I need juice to help me keep up with the competition"

Real fighter- "Bring the juicer on im tougher anyway"

[cambay411]

Can you pick out when he juiced because as far as i know he passed all the test. That is the problem with the unfair cant tell when any of them started to or if they might of stopped testing is bad. If you want fair your not going to get it with a system like we have now and do you really care if juicing was legal to do in sports. We as fans always look for the best showing so if it can enhance the entertainment i am not sure why it is still illegal to do it seems like a real big step back wards why would we not want better people to watch.

I hate the fact that you cant look at a champion fighter these days and know if they did it fair or not.

If a fighter does get caught that will change my entire opinion of them. To me it means they are weak and scared and not even true fighters. They are to scared to do it without PED's. Shortcuts aren't the way of a true fighter imo.

[bradlee180]

I hate the fact that you cant look at a champion fighter these days and know if they did it fair or not.

You can't make fair out of fight. There's no such thing.

[bradlee180]

RE:"To me it means they are weak and scared and not even true fighters."

Are you still on drugs or suffering residual effects?

These men are in general opportunistic. Give an inch, they'll take your head off. Show weakness, they'll attack it. Many of these men talk quite openly about their fear getting in the ring to do hand-to-hand combat.

[cambay411]

RE:"To me it means they are weak and scared and not even true fighters."

Are you still on drugs or suffering residual effects?

These men are in general opportunistic. Give an inch, they'll take your head off. Show weakness, they'll attack it. Many of these men talk quite openly about their fear getting in the ring to do hand-to-hand combat.

Definately a bit of an over statement. Really didn't mean to call anyone who jumps in the ring scared. I meant more along the lines of scared to lose.

Whats a fighter want the most? To be the best and test themselves. To be the toughest. Of course many will do whatever it takes.

I think many are blinded by wanting to win and be the best and forget about wanting to find out how tough the truly are. I also think in the end they would have to regret it (using PED's)because with the extra help they didn't truly find out what they were made of. Even with all their achievements they know they had help.

[bradlee180]

Ya forgot about professional prizefighters fight for money...