Do you support the arming of Syrian 'rebels'?

[VictorCharlie]

I have no issue with arming the rebels but I don't want the US involved in it. Oh and Miles, White Phosphorus isn't considered a chemical weapon.

[Gandalf]

I have no issue with arming the rebels but I don't want the US involved in it. Oh and Miles, White Phosphorus isn't considered a chemical weapon.

I don't buy into the notion that Israel and America can define chemical weaponry as they wish and certainly not from a country that has used nukes, napalm and white phosphorous on people in 2 out of 3 wars built on lies and the other on a defeated country.

[El Kabong]

I have no issue with arming the rebels but I don't want the US involved in it. Oh and Miles, White Phosphorus isn't considered a chemical weapon.

I don't buy into the notion that Israel and America can define chemical weaponry as they wish and certainly not from a country that has used nukes, napalm and white phosphorous on people in 2 out of 3 wars built on lies and the other on a defeated country.

Woah woah woah.....did you just call Japan a "defeated country" How about you look up the Battle of Okinawa and tell me Japan was "ready to give up".

The atom Bombs ended World War II, SAVED LIVES on both sides AND kept the Cold War COLD....FACT

[Gandalf]

I don't think that many dead innocent Japanese people was really neccessary. It wasn't just the initial nukes themselves, but the cancer and birth malformation fall out rates after. It was a shitty move that has never been repeated in history and for good reason. Having said that, I know your views on the Nukes and you know mine, so we don't need to pull this thread away from that. You think it was just and I say it wasn't. That's plenty for here.

[El Kabong]

I don't think that many dead innocent Japanese people was really neccessary. It wasn't just the initial nukes themselves, but the cancer and birth malformation fall out rates after. It was a shitty move that has never been repeated in history and for good reason. Having said that, I know your views on the Nukes and you know mine, so we don't need to pull this thread away from that. You think it was just and I say it wasn't. That's plenty for here.

Nobody knew about fallout until we used the bombs....which is why you see guys at nuclear testing sites checking out ground zero wearing tyvek booties as their only protection against the radiation.


As for the Battle of Okinawa which was the key to be able to make bombing runs on Honshu Island. Almost 100,000 Japanese soldiers were killed defending Okinawa and anywhere from 42,000-100,000 civilians died there too because they either brought up arms against the Allied forces or committed suicide thinking the Allies would murder them anyway because of the propaganda the Japanese put out about how vicious the Allies were.

The bombs saved lives its a fact and it's hard to swallow but it is the truth

[VictorCharlie]

I have no issue with arming the rebels but I don't want the US involved in it. Oh and Miles, White Phosphorus isn't considered a chemical weapon.

I don't buy into the notion that Israel and America can define chemical weaponry as they wish and certainly not from a country that has used nukes, napalm and white phosphorous on people in 2 out of 3 wars built on lies and the other on a defeated country.

You don't have to take Israel or the US's word on it. The Law of War stipulates how/when it can be used and it is not considered a chemical weapon in the same way say Sarin, Mustard Gas etc are. But hey don't let facts get in the way of your obsession.

[Gandalf]

I have no issue with arming the rebels but I don't want the US involved in it. Oh and Miles, White Phosphorus isn't considered a chemical weapon.

I don't buy into the notion that Israel and America can define chemical weaponry as they wish and certainly not from a country that has used nukes, napalm and white phosphorous on people in 2 out of 3 wars built on lies and the other on a defeated country.

You don't have to take Israel or the US's word on it. The Law of War stipulates how/when it can be used and it is not considered a chemical weapon in the same way say Sarin, Mustard Gas etc are. But hey don't let facts get in the way of your obsession.

It is not an obsession as it is a fact that your country goes after nations based upon lies and ignores others because it uses the same chemical murder methods. You have never really bothered with law of war when it concerns Nuremburg etc, but only when it suits your interests and justifies your prior agenda and world experiences. It is perfectly natural and I understand why you do it. At the least, you will admit that phosphorous is highly controversial and not used in nations that do routinely flog international law.

I've never really let facts get in my way as the facts keep on producing themselves. Britain, America and Israel are continuing the blueprint I have always said they would. This is just the latest. I am not a prophet or even that smart, but I am against it and believe you, me and most our respective populaces are against the downward spiral too.

It is a downward spiral and I am sensing with the Americans that feel strongly they feel it is lost. Those are the Americans I can relate to, but they think it is done too. They are smart, educated and are sold out. There is nothing and only war to back up the military sector. Then will come the next economic crash and further slavery.

You need war to shield the collapse and the markets are due a horrid drop.

[VictorCharlie]

Again Miles you are confused. Where you cannot produce a binding legal document that stipulates when war is legal or illegal I can produce the Law of Landwarfare that stipulates how the US conducts war. I get an annual 4 hour block of instruction on it. This is my business and unlike you I know exactly what I'm talking about. If you want to talk about Syria then lets do that but if you are just going to continue with tangential rants about how the US is the international bogey man then I'll just post some more in YB's tits thread.

[Gandalf]

Yes, and your government has also used nuclear bombs, napalm and phosporous. It doesn't matter what your government tells you is okay as it is clear that your government doesn't care about what is okay. Your government tortures, renditions and lies to invade other countries and that is the sector that you have signed up for. Now how any of that can provide a legal framework for anything is insane. I am am sure Hitler had a legal team telling him he was well within his rights etc.

Law is irrelevant as compared to what is moral. Most people would argue that the war in Iraq was wrong and on that basis alone, it doesn't matter about legality. Most would agree on phosphorous too. A country like America talking about chemicals and getting involved in another countries civil war is a joke and not a funny one.

America is the bogeyman and it doesn't take me to make it that way. I am a marginal person, but practically every English and American person I have read is condemning England and America and at the end of the day you are too. We just disagree on phosphorous which any chemist would tell you has all the hallmarks of a chemical weapon. Legalese doesn't hide basic science.

[VictorCharlie]

Yes, and your government has also used nuclear bombs, napalm and phosporous. It doesn't matter what your government tells you is okay as it is clear that your government doesn't care about what is okay. Your government tortures, renditions and lies to invade other countries and that is the sector that you have signed up for. Now how any of that can provide a legal framework for anything is insane. I am am sure Hitler had a legal team telling him he was well within his rights etc.

Law is irrelevant as compared to what is moral. Most people would argue that the war in Iraq was wrong and on that basis alone, it doesn't matter about legality. Most would agree on phosphorous too. A country like America talking about chemicals and getting involved in another countries civil war is a joke and not a funny one.

America is the bogeyman and it doesn't take me to make it that way. I am a marginal person, but practically every English and American person I have read is condemning England and America and at the end of the day you are too. We just disagree on phosphorous which any chemist would tell you has all the hallmarks of a chemical weapon. Legalese doesn't hide basic science.

Despite your 2/3 of non-sequiter and hyperbole if you don't see that there is a fundamental difference in the purpose and capability of WP compared to nerve/blister agents then you are simply being willfully ignorant in order to validate your own world view. I do agree with one point though. Law is irrelevant compared to morality and war has nothing to do with morality. It is about killing and applying rules to how and when two groups of people decide to kill each other is pretty moronic.

[El Kabong]

It is not an obsession as it is a fact that your country goes after nations based upon lies

.....like the ones told to us by England to return the Shah to power in Iran?

[El Kabong]

Anyway....BACK ON TOPIC...no I would not like to see the United States arm the Syrian rebels as they are no friends of ours and never will be.

[Gandalf]

It is not an obsession as it is a fact that your country goes after nations based upon lies

.....like the ones told to us by England to return the Shah to power in Iran?

I am not defending Britain, Lyle. You know I am always reliable in placing Britain, Israel and America of the past 40 years quite firmly together.

On the whole I think ALL of us agree that arming the rebels is a poor idea. We are wandering off into tangential arguments as is our will, but we do seem to be on the same page on this.

[El Kabong]

On the whole I think ALL of us agree that arming the rebels is a poor idea. We are wandering off into tangential arguments as is our will, but we do seem to be on the same page on this.

Good

[Master]

I think the UN should go in and force the leaders to talk or threaten them with imprisonment. If that fails then take away the women, children and men who want to be away from this and let the rest kill themselves.