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    Default Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
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    Sure he had a weaker era than most done.
    Did he?

    Weaker than Dempsey's Louis' Marciano's Liston's Holmes', Wlad's?
    His best foes before he tangled with Holyfield and Lewis in "their era" were a light heavyweight Michael Spinks, an older faded champion in Larry Holmes, and 2 guys who were just solid contenders but never really got the most out of their ability in Bruno & Ruddock.

    Dempsey fought Gene Tunney who was one of the best p4p fighters to ever live...as a champion he was lazy something like 5 title defenses or so...the good life got to him.

    Louis had 25 successful title defenses and that could have been more had the war not cost him a few years.

    Marciano wasn't even really a heavyweight but he was undefeated as one, undefeated vs some very good albeit older fighters

    Liston meh his era was weak

    Holmes had a lot of good young fighters in his era and they just tried for too much too quickly and also there was a horrible drug epidemic sweeping the lower levels of society at that time as well so a lot of those guys didn't reach their potential.

    Wlad's era isn't the best but like Louis he's just going to have to make the best of it and go for quantity. However he does have some younger guys that could offer some interesting matchups, we'll just have to see how they pan out.
    On paper, Tysons resume wasn't impressive compared to some of the greater champions, but god dammit we saw what the man can do, and he would fare prett damn great against anyone in any era, thats what the debate really comes down to, is more skill, not so much resume of opponents, accomplishments. etc..

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    On paper, Tysons resume wasn't impressive compared to some of the greater champions, but god dammit we saw what the man can do, and he would fare prett damn great against anyone in any era, thats what the debate really comes down to, is more skill, not so much resume of opponents, accomplishments. etc..
    Tyson's record always left me wanting him to have more fights especially in the 1990's and early 2000's. There were a boatload of guys he could have fought and that would have been good matches and great matches even.

    Riddick Bowe
    Shannon Briggs
    Ray Mercer
    Tommy Morrison
    Chris Byrd
    Ike Ibeabuchi
    David Tua
    Hasim Rahman
    Oliver McCall
    Vitali
    Wlad
    Sam Peter
    Michael Moorer
    Michael Grant
    Gerry Cooney
    George Foreman
    James Toney
    Lamon Brewster
    Sergei Liakhovich
    John Ruiz

    I could list fighters for days...and sure lots of them would be short work for Tyson but as Tyson aged a lot of those guys would have given him hell and would have beaten the dog piss out of him due to his slowing down and ineffectiveness at being a pressure fighter later on in his career.

    I'm more realistic about Tyson's career than the fanboys, but still you'd love to see him fight anyone and everyone his style was just such a good matchup for any other style.

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    Default Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boxer4life View Post
    On paper, Tysons resume wasn't impressive compared to some of the greater champions, but god dammit we saw what the man can do, and he would fare prett damn great against anyone in any era, thats what the debate really comes down to, is more skill, not so much resume of opponents, accomplishments. etc..
    Tyson's record always left me wanting him to have more fights especially in the 1990's and early 2000's. There were a boatload of guys he could have fought and that would have been good matches and great matches even.

    Riddick Bowe
    Shannon Briggs
    Ray Mercer
    Tommy Morrison
    Chris Byrd
    Ike Ibeabuchi
    David Tua
    Hasim Rahman
    Oliver McCall
    Vitali
    Wlad
    Sam Peter
    Michael Moorer
    Michael Grant
    Gerry Cooney
    George Foreman
    James Toney
    Lamon Brewster
    Sergei Liakhovich
    John Ruiz

    I could list fighters for days...and sure lots of them would be short work for Tyson but as Tyson aged a lot of those guys would have given him hell and would have beaten the dog piss out of him due to his slowing down and ineffectiveness at being a pressure fighter later on in his career.

    I'm more negative about Tyson's career than everyone else, but still you'd love to see him fight anyone and everyone his style was just such a good matchup for any other style.
    i made some changes to your post
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    Default Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    i made some changes to your post
    I'm not "more negative" about Tyson, I'm pragmatic about him. But hey you must feel horrible because he demolished Bruno twice

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    Default Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    i made some changes to your post
    I'm not "more negative" about Tyson, I'm pragmatic about him. But hey you must feel horrible because he demolished Bruno twice
    every fighter has his bogey man, nowt you can do about that

    and youre about as pragmatic as a conker
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    Default Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    i made some changes to your post
    I'm not "more negative" about Tyson, I'm pragmatic about him. But hey you must feel horrible because he demolished Bruno twice
    every fighter has his bogey man, nowt you can do about that

    and youre about as pragmatic as a conker
    ummmm what?

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    Default Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    i made some changes to your post
    I'm not "more negative" about Tyson, I'm pragmatic about him. But hey you must feel horrible because he demolished Bruno twice
    every fighter has his bogey man, nowt you can do about that

    and youre about as pragmatic as a conker
    ummmm what?
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