Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Beanflicker]

Frank Bruno got as big as he did due to advances in training and most importantly Healthcare. Back in Tunney's day women still drank & smoked and did God knows what else while with child....so yeah IF IF IF all you like but I don't see anyone with a time machine around here

That's true.

Black people are more athletically gifted than white people ON AVERAGE.

[Master]

Frank Bruno got as big as he did due to advances in training and most importantly Healthcare. Back in Tunney's day women still drank & smoked and did God knows what else while with child....so yeah IF IF IF all you like but I don't see anyone with a time machine around here

That's true.

Black people are more athletically gifted than white people ON AVERAGE.

It would be interesting what the 1920's make of Tyson Fury.

[cambay411]

Just read some post about Tyson KO's not being impressive.

All big time fighters have many hand picked oppenents. Thats not to say they don't take on and overcome their biggest challenges. And thats also not to say Tyson himself conquered any of his biggest challenges. But to say its not impressive to KO 23 or more professional heavy wieght boxers in the first round isnt impressive is crazy. Alot of them top 10 at the time.

I doubt any other fighter has KO'd 20 opponents in the first round.

[cambay411]

Frank Bruno got as big as he did due to advances in training and most importantly Healthcare. Back in Tunney's day women still drank & smoked and did God knows what else while with child....so yeah IF IF IF all you like but I don't see anyone with a time machine around here

That's true.

Black people are more athletically gifted than white people ON AVERAGE.

What? Tell me you still don't believe that sht. That sht was used for marketing purposes way back in the day.

Yeah sure there are still a majority of African American pro athletes in football and basketball, but the NBA and NFL union, who basically run the NBA and NFL, are all founded by Africans Americans.

Trust me there is no difference outside of marketing.

[Andre]

Frank Bruno got as big as he did due to advances in training and most importantly Healthcare. Back in Tunney's day women still drank & smoked and did God knows what else while with child....so yeah IF IF IF all you like but I don't see anyone with a time machine around here

That's true.

Black people are more athletically gifted than white people ON AVERAGE.

What? Tell me you still don't believe that sht. That sht was used for marketing purposes way back in the day.

Yeah sure there are still a majority of African American pro athletes in football and basketball, but the NBA and NFL union, who basically run the NBA and NFL, are all founded by Africans Americans.

Trust me there is no difference outside of marketing.

Not certain but so far im with the Chinese on it.

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[Mr140]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

[Master]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

[cambay411]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

Tyson never really took a lot of damage tho. What did him I more than anything was prison time.

He looked like shit after he got out. And honestly imo the best he looked after prison was the second Holyfield fight which of course sadly ended early.

And lets be fair to Tyson, Holyfield was head butting the crap out of him. I remember a lot of people on here praising Floyd for sucker punching Ortiz because Ortiz was head butting him. Cant praise one fighter for not putting up with it and then trash another fighter.

And to say Tyson was afraid to lose and just wanted an exuse is bs. Look at Tyson in Holyfield vs Tyson 1 and look at the shape Tyson is in for Holyfield Tyson 2 and tell me Tyson didn't want that fight bad.

Tyson is just a crazy dumbass who screwed himself over.

Not to mention Holyfield was likely on juice.

[Master]

Truthfully Tyson was deteriorating after Rooney left. His life was falling a part with Givens and King taking advantage. Prison may have extended his career.

[Spicoli]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

Tyson never really took a lot of damage tho. What did him I more than anything was prison time.

He looked like shit after he got out. And honestly imo the best he looked after prison was the second Holyfield fight which of course sadly ended early.

And lets be fair to Tyson, Holyfield was head butting the crap out of him. I remember a lot of people on here praising Floyd for sucker punching Ortiz because Ortiz was head butting him. Cant praise one fighter for not putting up with it and then trash another fighter.

And to say Tyson was afraid to lose and just wanted an exuse is bs. Look at Tyson in Holyfield vs Tyson 1 and look at the shape Tyson is in for Holyfield Tyson 2 and tell me Tyson didn't want that fight bad.

Tyson is just a crazy dumbass who screwed himself over.

Not to mention Holyfield was likely on juice.

I just cannot see a fighter intentionally crank arms among other things and go out of my way to 'be fair to him'. Tyson had much more to worry about than Holyfields head and he could not cope. Instead of removing a guy from his sences in one of the few sports where its encouraged and he was world renound for it...he choked..he was out fought and he went off the deep end in a desperate hope of getting Holyfield out of his game. I was never one to say he went 'insane' like was often repeated...he knew exactly what he was doing, both times.

[Boxer4life]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

cocaine and prostitutes had more to do with his burn out than "his style" or the "type of fighter" he was. It was his personality not his fighting that caused him to burn out, but to assume a man that fights aggressive has to live an explosive life is just silly, obviously he did, but that was a personal choice, hes had years of discipline and work ethic, he just chose to mess it up. where im coming from is that if he didn't, these guys couldn't touch him. He went on record himself stating that to maintain that type of style, he couldn't have a life outside the ring(translation: cant party your ass off)

[cambay411]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

cocaine and prostitutes had more to do with his burn out than "his style" or the "type of fighter" he was. It was his personality not his fighting that caused him to burn out, but to assume a man that fights aggressive has to live an explosive life is just silly, obviously he did, but that was a personal choice, hes had years of discipline and work ethic, he just chose to mess it up. where im coming from is that if he didn't, these guys couldn't touch him. He went on record himself stating that to maintain that type of style, he couldn't have a life outside the ring(translation: cant party your ass off)

I agree Tyson is an ATG and he should have been better. But we will never know whether or not guys like Holyfield or Lewis could touch him if he didn't mess up.

Style wise imo prime Tyson would have matched up good against Lewis and Holyfield when. A prime Tyson with his work output imo could have overwhelmed these guys. Style wise a pressure fighter matches up good against traditional boxing styles.