Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Beanflicker]

^This is true, but to be fair Mike probably was too.

[erics44]

^This is true, but to be fair Mike probably was too.

yeah thats true

even tho there is a lot more evidence with the changes in hollyfields physique to his roidness who can actually determine who cheated most

mind you hollyfield was caught and as far as i know mike never was?

[Beanflicker]

Holyfield was proven as a roider. Mike never was caught, but the 80's and early/mid 90's were a dicey time for steroids in pro sports, drug testing was almost non-existant and the drug tests that were available were archiac and easy to cheat, especially if you were a multi-millon dollar athlete. The few guys that do get caught are just the tip of the iceberg.

[erics44]

Holyfield was proven as a roider. Mike never was caught, but the 80's and early/mid 90's were a dicey time for steroids in pro sports, drug testing was almost non-existant and the drug tests that were available were archiac and easy to cheat, especially if you were a multi-millon dollar athlete. The few guys that do get caught are just the tip of the iceberg.

do you think because testing and more publicity around drug cheating theres less of it around today?

[Beanflicker]

From what I've heard guys in the know say (like Victor Conte), as tests get more advanced, so too does the ways to cheat them. Holyfield only got caught because they found his name and reciepts with his name when they raided a business that was providing pro athletes with illegal steroids. He never failed a drug test once! He just had the misfortune of buying from a business that got busted hahah (same with Shane Mosley and a few others)

Guys are still getting busted steady in boxing and MMA, so that says to me that there are ways to get around it. If drug testing was foolproof, nobody would be doing them. And the chance of getting away with it has to be pretty good if guys are willing to risk the shit storm that comes with getting caught.

Not that I'm saying Tyson did them for sure... I'm just not willing to say that Holyfield was juicing and all his opponents were clean haha

[beenKOed]

Holyfield was proven as a roider. Mike never was caught, but the 80's and early/mid 90's were a dicey time for steroids in pro sports, drug testing was almost non-existant and the drug tests that were available were archiac and easy to cheat, especially if you were a multi-millon dollar athlete. The few guys that do get caught are just the tip of the iceberg.

do you think because testing and more publicity around drug cheating theres less of it around today?

Do you think because testing and more publicity about drug cheating there's more of it around today?

[erics44]

Holyfield was proven as a roider. Mike never was caught, but the 80's and early/mid 90's were a dicey time for steroids in pro sports, drug testing was almost non-existant and the drug tests that were available were archiac and easy to cheat, especially if you were a multi-millon dollar athlete. The few guys that do get caught are just the tip of the iceberg.

do you think because testing and more publicity around drug cheating theres less of it around today?

Do you think because testing and more publicity about drug cheating there's more of it around today?

do you think because there is more of it around today there is publicity about testing and drug cheating?

[beenKOed]

Holyfield was proven as a roider. Mike never was caught, but the 80's and early/mid 90's were a dicey time for steroids in pro sports, drug testing was almost non-existant and the drug tests that were available were archiac and easy to cheat, especially if you were a multi-millon dollar athlete. The few guys that do get caught are just the tip of the iceberg.

do you think because testing and more publicity around drug cheating theres less of it around today?

Do you think because testing and more publicity about drug cheating there's more of it around today?

do you think because there is more of it around today there is publicity about testing and drug cheating?

Do you think we should do nothing because there is more publicity about drug cheating and testing?

[Master]

After knocking Bowe down he could not even raise his arms up to stop Bowe. Holyfield looked crap against Moorer the first time and should never have lost to the imbecile (that eventually got KOed by an overweight heavyweight which started the demise of the division). As good as Holyfield was, he was too inconsistent to be classed as a great.

BTW Tyson never took PED he did take the recreational type of drugs though.