Do we agree, and admit, that we overrated Adrian Broner?

[IamInuit]

They are nothing alike style wise at all. That is what I'm commenting on.

[Vendettos]

I agree but don't admit, because I've said since day one that he was overrated!

Read every post I've ever written on him, I always said he was far too hyped.


End of the day after last night, name a welterweight that doesn't beat Broner?

Matthysse - hits Broner, stops Broner.
Garcia - hits Broner, stops Broner.
Khan - dances around Broner, scores a very one sided UD over Broner.
Mayweather - I need say no more
Petersen - closer fight but stands a chance.
Guererro - beats Broner on UD.

Guy looked average last night against Paulie who is an average welterweight now.

Broner in the lightweight division is like Mile Tyson fighting in the cruiser weight division, he's massive and compact, however for Broner that doesn't transfer well to welterweight.

As much as he won the fight we realized last night that he was hyped and that his huge knockout ratio in the LW division is down to nothing more than his size in the division.

When he steps up to a weight were he is of average size and weight he's an average fighter.

Nothing like Matthysse who is average size, maybe even small for the weight but still has raw power.

[Rantcatrat]

They are nothing alike style wise at all. That is what I'm commenting on.

Oh nothing at all style-wise. I meant in terms of overrated.

[Freedom]

Matthysse is calling Broner out on twitter today:

Lucas Matthysse ‏@LucasMatthysse 18m
@FightNightX @itzStephieLynne @AdrienBroner @Kingpete26 @DANNYSwift tell el lil danny que firma la contract! soy listo!

Lucas Matthysse ‏@LucasMatthysse
@paulMalignaggi Great Fight Champ, Broner fought a dirty fight, #cowardbroner

Lucas Matthysse ‏@LucasMatthysse
@AdrienBroner I will knock out out like I did the bitch @Kingpete26 , I know you scared of me like @DANNYSwift is. pussies come get some!

[Silkeyjoe]

Who was Paullie shouting at the end there? What was it over?

Broner isnt that good but he is class. He will be champ for a long time. He will be no more protected then Pacman, Flloyd or any other boxing cash cow.

[Rantcatrat]

Who was Paullie shouting at the end there? What was it over?

Broner isnt that good but he is class. He will be champ for a long time. He will be no more protected then Pacman, Flloyd or any other boxing cash cow.

How high did you rate Paulie Malignaggi @Silkeyjoe? Because most people didn't rate Paulie Malignaggi. Broner could not dominate Paulie Malignaggi the way Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton, or Amir Khan did, and this was a passed-prime Paulie Malignaggi.

[Rantcatrat]

Broner was being heralded as the next Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather, and after last night's performance, those opinions are going way overboard. He barely beat Paulie Malignaggi. Many people had it a draw or Paulie winning by a point. It's only fair we reel in some of the praise.

[Silkeyjoe]

Who was Paullie shouting at the end there? What was it over?

Broner isnt that good but he is class. He will be champ for a long time. He will be no more protected then Pacman, Flloyd or any other boxing cash cow.

How high did you rate Paulie Malignaggi @Silkeyjoe? Because most people didn't rate Paulie Malignaggi. Broner could not dominate Paulie Malignaggi the way Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton, or Amir Khan did, and this was a passed-prime Paulie Malignaggi.

I rate him highly, he is a very skilled boxer with no punching power. He has only been beaten by top fighters, and the Hatton fight Paulies mind wasnt right, so dont know if that fight should count as much. He was excellent against Senchenko, when he went to Ukraine to fight an unbeaten, highly but wrongly rated fighter. I think Paulie was about 6/1 with the bookies to win that day.

Also, you cant say because other fighters beat someone better then another guy that that guy isnt as good. Garcia was poor against Holt while Peterson was excellent. Doesnt mean Peterson is better then Garcia. JMM was shit against Flloyd but good against Pacman. It doesnt mean much. Khan was great against Zab, Garcia not so much. Every fighter has off days. Broner didnt look great, but I still think he won very comfortable. There are guys who could beat him, but not that many.

[ray corso]

I don't overrate fighters because I evaluate them myself I don't need others! Broner is on a well planned schedule thats working well for him. He fights a local hero in the heros home camp and helps that hero sell out a new room thats looking to promote boxing!
He wins the fight easily (8 to 4) if you know how to judge a "pro fight"! He needed the right guy to get in a full 12 rounds safely and Paulie was perfect for that! I see this kid possibly being an out sanding fighter at the age oges of 25 to 27yrs old. He comes fight and fights out of a steppers mold. He can box and he has power but at 147 I didn't think it would be there with a moving target and it wasn't. Although Paulie was on the move ALL nite, wonder why?
Both acquitted themselves very well and its OVER! Move on!! Bika and the Mexican kid stole the show wiith Heart & Soul! Seth & Banks shouldn't be paid, give them expenses and revoke their liscenses for a year! They were a disgrace and an embarassment! Lil dude from Cinn. town looked skillfull and sharp! Ray.

[Beanflicker]

I know people are going to be tempted to shit all over Broner because he went to a split decision with Paulie, a guy who was dominated by Khan and Hatton. And I realize that people are going to nitpick his entire career from now until he retires because, like Floyd Mayweather, he is a genuine asshole outside of the ring.

But there's no escaping the fact that this is a 23 year old kid with extraordinary talent and physical attributes. This is a special kid who has the potential to carry boxing in the post-Mayweather/Pacquaio era (that is probably only a few short years away). He's young: he's going to have the "growing pains" of fighting guys with different styles (say what you want about Paulie, but he's slick as grease) and having to figure them out. I've seen Floyd struggle against guys early on in his career that were complete nobodies. And I've seen him have tough fights with guys that were considered journeymen (Emanuel Augustus). Same thing with Ray Leonard and a bunch of other greats. So giving up a few rounds to grizzled vets like Paulie and De Leon at this age, I don't think that's so awful.

His big problem, of course, is his ego and bravado in the ring. Going into that shell and letting guys tee off on him: he needs to realize that even though they aren't hurting him, they're stealing rounds. I've never seen Floyd just give away rounds just defending, he's always used his great defense to set up offense. But I'm very excited about Broner, he's a young, talented, EXCITING fighter.

[Beanflicker]

And that's not even mentioning the fact that Broner was jumping TWO weight divisions and fighting a champ. Put that in context: name someone else in boxing that you'd pick right now to jump TWO weight divisions and beat one of the champions (for argument's sake, the weakest champ in the division even). That's an incredible feat unto itself.