Duran vs Whitaker, prime vs prime at LW

[Master]

Whitaker was more than just defence, his body work was exceptional and it did cause knockdowns late in fights.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Duran beat a bunch of slobs and second rate fighters at LW... and you know this!

So Duran fought 40 times from 1972 -1978 as Lightweight Champion of the world with a 39-1 record in that time and all of them were slobs? Boxing must've been in a recession in the 70's?

[Master]

Duran beat a bunch of slobs and second rate fighters at LW... and you know this!

So Duran fought 40 times from 1972 -1978 as Lightweight Champion of the world with a 39-1 record in that time and all of them were slobs? Boxing must've been in a recession in the 70's?

Beanflicker you must be deliberately being a pain because have you seen some of his fights at lightweight. Duran was a wrecking machine, he beat Ken Buchanan and Esteban De Jesus and they were brilliant fighters. They would easily be champions now if they were fighting today.

[Beanflicker]

Lol pardon me

Hank scored 27 straight ko's from 1937 to 1938 getting the featherweight title in the process. Not only is that fight total in one year almost a ten year career today but they were all knockouts. Prior to loosing his lightweight title in a rematch with Ambers he was on a winning streak of 46 and 0 with 39 knockouts.

So what? Doesn't mean he was a big puncher. He wore guys down with his insane pace. It was about pressure. Given enough time to exert pressure, water wears down rock. A great KO percentage doesn't necessarily = big puncher.

He was like an old time Aaron Pryor as far as I can see (another guy who wasn't a big one-punch guy but had a great KO%). Just wore dudes down.

[Beanflicker]

Beanflicker you must be deliberately being a pain because have you seen some of his fights at lightweight. Duran was a wrecking machine, he beat Ken Buchanan and Esteban De Jesus and they were brilliant fighters. They would easily be champions now if they were fighting today.

Ken Buchanan, Esteban De Jesus.... and... who else?

And who did Esteban beat (besides Duran) that makes him so great? Cervantes beat the holy shit out of him.

Ken Buchanan, ok, he's a guy who's best known for getting eaten alive by a young Duran. Why was he so great?

And for everyone who thinks Duran KO's Pernell... I want to strangle you for underrating a true ring legend like Pernell so badly. That's absolute insanity.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Because Pernell Whitaker beat the shit out of who exactly...?

[Beanflicker]

Because Pernell Whitaker beat the shit out of who exactly...?

How about prime JCC or Azumah Nelson?

[Beanflicker]

We're talking about a guy who fought Tito Trinidad when he was washed up and burned out on coke and never got stopped. One of the greatest defensive masters EVER in the history of the sport, one of the greatest pure boxing talents, great chin, tons of heart, and people think Duran smashes him like he was some random slob?

Bullshit, says I. Bullshit. To steal from Ali a bit, if you even DREAM about Duran KOing Pernell, you better wake up an appologize.

[DavilaJones]

Guys this was a fun debate to see who wins, why must it be reduced to shit talking great champions of the past?

[Master]

I agree Duran would not stop Pernell as no one could even prime Tito could not stop an old Sweet Pea. However Esteban De Jesus was lighting fast and put down a prime Duran twice if I remember and we all know how great Durans chin was. Ken Buchanan fought his best fights abroad and was respected by the American he beat the legendary Jim Watt which says it all and I rest my case.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

We're talking about a guy who fought Tito Trinidad when he was washed up and burned out on coke and never got stopped

Are you of the ''Tito crushes Hagler'' school or something

Oh and by the way....

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[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Because Pernell Whitaker beat the shit out of who exactly...?

How about prime JCC or Azumah Nelson?

And? Who else?

[Master]

Because Pernell Whitaker beat the shit out of who exactly...?

How about prime JCC or Azumah Nelson?

And? Who else?

JCC was at welterweight and Asumah was very sick at the time.

[Beanflicker]

Ken Buchanan fought his best fights abroad and was respected by the American he beat the legendary Jim Watt which says it all and I rest my case.

So he's a great because he got destroyed by Duran and beat Jim Watt? A guy who got stopped a bunch of times before hand by nobodies?

I'm not shitting on these guys, I'm asking you guys to think critically and challenge your own beliefs.

If we were talking about why Floyd Mayweather is great, we wouldn't say "well he beat undefeated Ricky Hatton, I rest my case". It would take a lot more than that.

[Master]

Ken Buchanan fought his best fights abroad and was respected by the American he beat the legendary Jim Watt which says it all and I rest my case.

So he's a great because he got destroyed by Duran and beat Jim Watt? A guy who got stopped a bunch of times before hand by nobodies?

I'm not shitting on these guys, I'm asking you guys to think critically and challenge your own beliefs.

If we were talking about why Floyd Mayweather is great, we wouldn't say "well he beat undefeated Ricky Hatton, I rest my case". It would take a lot more than that.

You missed the bit where he was respected by Americans and fought often over there he beat Ismael Laguna and defended his title all around the world. That takes a lot of doing, can you imagine another fighter doing that. Jim Watt was only beaten by Alexis. Ken was probably the best Scottish fighter ever.