Felix Trindad would CRUSH Hagler...

[TitoFan]

How easy to dismiss Trinidad's big wins and say he "failed" when he stepped it up into ATG level. How easy it is to now dismiss the five previously undefeated, highly-regarded fighters whom Trinidad handed their first defeat. It shows your lack of knowledge and objectivity when you just blurt things out like that. In that regard... the quality of opposition... Trinidad stacks up just as well and even better than ODLH. Campas was feared and undefeated when Trinidad knocked him out. So was Oba Carr. So was Vargas. In each case, De La Hoya defeated them only after Trinidad had removed the "0"s from their records.

When did Trinidad lose? When he fought one of the best MW's of all time, Bernard Hopkins. Prior to that, Trinidad had turned back all odds by knocking out another MW champion in William Joppy. I'd say he acquitted himself at middleweight light-years better than Oscar did. Speaking of gifts, ODLH got a ridiculous one himself when he was "gifted" a decision over Felix Sturm, further pointing out the fact that he didn't belong in that division.

To whom did Trinidad lose after that? To Winky Wright. Again, no shame in that. Winky's defense was world-renowned. True, Trinidad did not have a Plan B and that was arguably his worst fight ever. I've said so myself countless times. Like ALL greats have bad fights.... Trinidad is entitled to his.

Finally, Trinidad lost to RJJ Jr. at 170 pounds. Wa-y-y-y-y-y over Trinidad's natural weight and comfort zone. And there you have the 3 losses.

All of which hardly fits the profile of an overrated fighter, don't you think?
Try some objectiveness in your thinking, 140.

[IamInuit]

How easy to dismiss Trinidad's big wins and say he "failed" when he stepped it up into ATG level. How easy it is to now dismiss the five previously undefeated, highly-regarded fighters whom Trinidad handed their first defeat. It shows your lack of knowledge and objectivity when you just blurt things out like that. In that regard... the quality of opposition... Trinidad stacks up just as well and even better than ODLH. Campas was feared and undefeated when Trinidad knocked him out. So was Oba Carr. So was Vargas. In each case, De La Hoya defeated them only after Trinidad had removed the "0"s from their records.

When did Trinidad lose? When he fought one of the best MW's of all time, Bernard Hopkins. Prior to that, Trinidad had turned back all odds by knocking out another MW champion in William Joppy. I'd say he acquitted himself at middleweight light-years better than Oscar did. Speaking of gifts, ODLH got a ridiculous one himself when he was "gifted" a decision over Felix Sturm, further pointing out the fact that he didn't belong in that division.

To whom did Trinidad lose after that? To Winky Wright. Again, no shame in that. Winky's defense was world-renowned. True, Trinidad did not have a Plan B and that was arguably his worst fight ever. I've said so myself countless times. Like ALL greats have bad fights.... Trinidad is entitled to his.

Finally, Trinidad lost to RJJ Jr. at 170 pounds. Wa-y-y-y-y-y over Trinidad's natural weight and comfort zone. And there you have the 3 losses.

All of which hardly fits the profile of an overrated fighter, don't you think?
Try some objectiveness in your thinking, 140.

Tito is an all time great welter weight, a first ballot hall of famer and an all time great fighter. There is really no need to defend that fact and when you find yourself having to do so then stand up and kick yourself in the ass for going to such lengths. The need to do so pretty much speaks for itself. Its always been amazing to me on how big a deal people make out of the loss to Hopkins while they go on to declare Tito sub par in the same sentence.

[Violent Demise]

Trinidad isn't one of my fav fighters but hell don't try and play him down to be some run of the mill guy, he'll go down as one of THE BEST welterweight champions in history, he was one of if not the longest running Welterweight champions in the history of the sport (from 1993 to 1999, including 16 title defenses) and you don't have wins over the following by being just an ok fighter

Camacho
Campas
Carr
Whitaker
Reid
Vargas
Joppy
Mayorga

He still gets smashed by Hagler

never said he wouldn't, but so would the vast majority of the guys at MW right now, including Martinez, Chavez, and Golovkin

Yeah but the thread ain't about them

How easy to dismiss Trinidad's big wins and say he "failed" when he stepped it up into ATG level. How easy it is to now dismiss the five previously undefeated, highly-regarded fighters whom Trinidad handed their first defeat. It shows your lack of knowledge and objectivity when you just blurt things out like that. In that regard... the quality of opposition... Trinidad stacks up just as well and even better than ODLH. Campas was feared and undefeated when Trinidad knocked him out. So was Oba Carr. So was Vargas. In each case, De La Hoya defeated them only after Trinidad had removed the "0"s from their records.

When did Trinidad lose? When he fought one of the best MW's of all time, Bernard Hopkins. Prior to that, Trinidad had turned back all odds by knocking out another MW champion in William Joppy. I'd say he acquitted himself at middleweight light-years better than Oscar did. Speaking of gifts, ODLH got a ridiculous one himself when he was "gifted" a decision over Felix Sturm, further pointing out the fact that he didn't belong in that division.

To whom did Trinidad lose after that? To Winky Wright. Again, no shame in that. Winky's defense was world-renowned. True, Trinidad did not have a Plan B and that was arguably his worst fight ever. I've said so myself countless times. Like ALL greats have bad fights.... Trinidad is entitled to his.

Finally, Trinidad lost to RJJ Jr. at 170 pounds. Wa-y-y-y-y-y over Trinidad's natural weight and comfort zone. And there you have the 3 losses.

All of which hardly fits the profile of an overrated fighter, don't you think?
Try some objectiveness in your thinking, 140.

What odds? Trinidad was a 4-1 favorite to beat Joppy. Stop trying to play up his win for more than it is

[Mr140]

I love how you don't even bring up the huge gift he got with Oscar don't tell me you thought Trindad won that fight please don't. As for Mw Trindad was a was a huge welterweight and filled out well at middle. Look his loses to the atg were pretty one sided beat downs takes points away i would say. As for Oscar he is one of my favs but he did lose big fights so i don't have him up there because of it. I rate Trindad, Shane and Oscar in about the same ball park but no way are they with likes of Leonard or a Hearns.

[TitoFan]

What odds? Trinidad was a 4-1 favorite to beat Joppy. Stop trying to play up his win for more than it is

It still doesn't take away from his win. Trinidad was coming up to 160 and fighting a champion at that weight... an accomplishment on its own merit. Not to be compared with Oscar's disastrous foray into 160, which ended with a KO loss on a dubious body shot from Hopkins, and a gift win against Felix Sturm.

[jon09]

Gotta disagree and say that Hagler was a beast who would eat Tito's best shots and mow him down in the later rounds or earlier. If Winky can beat him with just defense and a jab then what do you really think would happen when he fought the Marvelous 1? Tito never had a second gear and Hagler did.

[TitoFan]

Trinidad had a second gear. It just wouldn't do him any good against Hagler. What's the point of this argument, anyway? Might as well theorize how Hagler would do against Tyson. Hagler is arguably the best MW in boxing history. Trinidad did fairly well for himself at the weight, taking down a champion in Joppy. But by no means was MW Trinidad's natural weight.

Starting a thread like this just brings out the Trindad haters.
Might as well not even thinly veil it with some absurd theory.

[Violent Demise]

What odds? Trinidad was a 4-1 favorite to beat Joppy. Stop trying to play up his win for more than it is

It still doesn't take away from his win. Trinidad was coming up to 160 and fighting a champion at that weight... an accomplishment on its own merit. Not to be compared with Oscar's disastrous foray into 160, which ended with a KO loss on a dubious body shot from Hopkins, and a gift win against Felix Sturm.

Ain't nobody claiming Oscar "turned back all odds" against Sturm. Joppy was a good fighter. But come on. The best name he has on is record is a 200 year old Roberto Duran. Trinidad was suppose to beat Joppy. And he did

[Master]

What odds? Trinidad was a 4-1 favorite to beat Joppy. Stop trying to play up his win for more than it is

It still doesn't take away from his win. Trinidad was coming up to 160 and fighting a champion at that weight... an accomplishment on its own merit. Not to be compared with Oscar's disastrous foray into 160, which ended with a KO loss on a dubious body shot from Hopkins, and a gift win against Felix Sturm.

Ain't nobody claiming Oscar "turned back all odds" against Sturm. Joppy was a good fighter. But come on. The best name he has on is record is a 200 year old Roberto Duran. Trinidad was suppose to beat Joppy. And he did

Tito did more than just beat Joppy, he starched him like no one has ever done before. It was an impressive performance.