Congratulations Egypt!

[El Kabong]

What difference does it make what Obama says? How does anything the American President say "legitimise" anything? The fuckers won a democratic election. They got legitimised by the people of Egypt.

...you're being more than a tad naïve here

[Kirkland Laing]

What difference does it make what Obama says? How does anything the American President say "legitimise" anything? The fuckers won a democratic election. They got legitimised by the people of Egypt.

...you're being more than a tad naïve here

In what way?

[El Kabong]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

[Gandalf]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

Is this the post I am being referred to? Well, I don't need to nap on it. It is much better than your earlier post and I appreciate it. You have crawled into Chomsky land with some of your statements, and that is pretty cool of you Imo.

[Gandalf]

I fail to see what explaination, I am meant to give. I have been as honest as I can be and struggle to see the explanation I am meant to give. Was it me saying that Lyle was non-patriotic?

[El Kabong]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

Is this the post I am being referred to? Well, I don't need to nap on it. It is much better than your earlier post and I appreciate it. You have crawled into Chomsky land with some of your statements, and that is pretty cool of you Imo.

No....no it isn't.

And Chomsky is a sniveling little twat defending "Speech codes"...here's some Free Speech for him, FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!

[Kirkland Laing]

The United States supported Mubarak, yes?

And then when the people rose up, Obama called for him to step down right?

And then when they had elections Obama stood with the winner Morsi, correct?

Then when there were demonstrators calling for Morsi to step aside Obama said nothing, correct?

And when the military first threatened to overthrow Morsi, Obama told them not to right?

And then when the military was going to do whatever the hell it wanted to Obama told Morsi to step aside, right?


For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone. Obama just thinks his opinion on every damn thing is the most important thing ever...don't be a fair weather supporter of dictators, it's poor form.

It's best for Egypt to have the military in charge, since their revolution it has been all the Egyptians have known.

No, this is your own idea of history and has no basis in reality. Obama did everything he could to support Mubarak including shipping in quantities of riot control gear to help the regime stay in power. This backfired when US-manufacured tear gas canisters were photographed by the protestors and put on the internet. America's official position was that they were "taking no sides" between the dictatorship and the unarmed protestors. Obama was criticised by opportunistic GOP politicians at the time for supporting dictatorship ahead of democracy.

Joe Biden says Egypt's Mubarak no dictator, he shouldn't step down... - CSMonitor.com


And yes, Obamarecognised the democratically-elected winner of democratic elections. You're still refusing to explain what else he could have done.

Obama didn't tell the Egyptian military not to overthrow Morsi. When Mubarak lost power America sent billions of dollars and political consultants to help mould politicians they like and to make them popular in Egypt. In conjunction with the Saudis, who own most Egyptian media, America has been working with the Egyptian army who own a big chunk of Egyptian business to undermine Morsi, make pro-America/Israel politicians popular and create the conditions that led to the current coup.

So as usual you're completely fucking wrong about everything.

[El Kabong]

No, this is your own idea of history and has no basis in reality. Obama did everything he could to support Mubarak including shipping in quantities of riot control gear to help the regime stay in power. This backfired when US-manufacured tear gas canisters were photographed by the protestors and put on the internet. America's official position was that they were "taking no sides" between the dictatorship and the unarmed protestors. Obama was criticised by opportunistic GOP politicians at the time for supporting dictatorship ahead of democracy.

Joe Biden says Egypt's Mubarak no dictator, he shouldn't step down... - CSMonitor.com


And yes, Obamarecognised the democratically-elected winner of democratic elections. You're still refusing to explain what else he could have done.

Obama didn't tell the Egyptian military not to overthrow Morsi. When Mubarak lost power America sent billions of dollars and political consultants to help mould politicians they like and to make them popular in Egypt. In conjunction with the Saudis, who own most Egyptian media, America has been working with the Egyptian army who own a big chunk of Egyptian business to undermine Morsi, make pro-America/Israel politicians popular and create the conditions that led to the current coup.

So as usual you're completely fucking wrong about everything.

Oh you got me...JOE BIDEN said something well let me just change everything I wrote I mean JOE BIDEN is such a fucking genius that's why he's allowed to speak for Obama all the time right?



"White House plans to keep up the pressure on Hosni Mubarak".......hmmmm yes, that sounds exactly like support doesn't it?

[Kirkland Laing]

Obama's official position was that Mubarak had to listen to the people and make concessions to their demands -- but to stay in power. And he did everything he could to keep Mubarak in power.

So what could Obama have done other than recognise the recognised winner of the democratic election? And exactly what the fuck does this mean :

For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone.

One minute you're saying Obama should ignore Egypt, the next minute you're saying he should refuse to recognise a democratically elected leader and keep the army in power. Are you syure your Obama hatred hasn't just shorted your brainb?

[El Kabong]

Obama's official position was that Mubarak had to listen to the people and make concessions to their demands -- but to stay in power. And he did everything he could to keep Mubarak in power.

So what could Obama have done other than recognise the recognised winner of the democratic election? And exactly what the fuck does this mean :

For the "Leader of the Free World" to be that weak, that gullible, and that egocentric to think that HIS opinion of Egypt matters more than that of the people of Egypt......it makes America look bad especially considering Libya, Syria, Turkey, and our picking and choosing where we want to get involved....just leave those places/people alone.

One minute you're saying Obama should ignore Egypt, the next minute you're saying he should refuse to recognise a democratically elected leader and keep the army in power. Are you syure your Obama hatred hasn't just shorted your brainb?

Oh you know Obama's official position do you? Impressive....not what I saw/heard him say on the video but hey whatever don't let that stop you from ONCE AGAIN SUPPORTING OBAMA

How about nothing? Nothing is an option is it not? Just be like "I run the US, not Egypt, I have no say in what happens there, but they are an ally and we wish them the best"....how's that?

Hamas was democratically elected to run the Gaza strip aren't recognized by the US...so it's not like NOT recognizing a country with a bad choice of leadership (even if democratically elected) is anything new to the US.

And see here's the MAIN fucking issue, everyone that will say "Well the US should keep to itself" yeah and then the world starts asking questions and demanding answers....how about the rest of the world try to solve a few problems huh?