Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article

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James toney against randy couture in the boxing ring would be opposite of what hapoened in the cage.

Roy jones owns any mma fighter in the boxing ring. Its that simple.

[Boxer4life]

i honestly believe a boxer has more of a chance in the cage than an mma fighter has in the ring

[Boxer4life]

let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.

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let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.

Good point.

Brock lesner was successful but only in the mma game.

[jehoshaphat]

let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.

I do agree that a boxer has a better chance of success in MMA than the other way around because at least the boxer has mastered one of the arts coming in. But Brock Lesnar was not merely an entertainment wrestler. He was an actual superb REAL wrestler. He was an All American every year in juco then D1. He also was a D1 national champ. When Brock went to Minnesota his size and demeanor made him the scariest thing in the sport. He had a lot of his opponents terrified. His striking is terrible but wrestling is the best base for MMA so therefore he actually had the best base for MMA mastered before he even had a match. Dana won't admit it but the UFC gave Brock a title shot because of the star power he brought. Brock took UFC out of mediocrity whether they admit it or not. He never earned it(was only 2-1) and fittingly it was against a much smaller, old, and lesser skilled wrestler in Coutre. It would be like them wanting to give Klitschko a title and having him fight Mark Hunt. Klitschko would almost certainly be the UFC champ if he was given that match up. But he'd have to defend his title against versatile fighters and then would eventually get exposed on the ground like Brock got ran out of the sport for his lack of striking. The sports are really not comparable in this aspect. Boxing is a specialist sport and MMA is a versatility sport. By the way, if Anderson Silva tried to box that way against Roy it will be another sad quick ending for him. Even at Roy's deterioration he will outbox and probably KO Silva at some point in the fight. I really think Silva is only doing it for the million dollar payday that top boxers frequently get and UFC fighters get screwed out of.

[Boxer4life]

let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.

I do agree that a boxer has a better chance of success in MMA than the other way around because at least the boxer has mastered one of the arts coming in. But Brock Lesnar was not merely an entertainment wrestler. He was an actual superb REAL wrestler. He was an All American every year in juco then D1. He also was a D1 national champ. When Brock went to Minnesota his size and demeanor made him the scariest thing in the sport. He had a lot of his opponents terrified. His striking is terrible but wrestling is the best base for MMA so therefore he actually had the best base for MMA mastered before he even had a match. Dana won't admit it but the UFC gave Brock a title shot because of the star power he brought. Brock took UFC out of mediocrity whether they admit it or not. He never earned it(was only 2-1) and fittingly it was against a much smaller, old, and lesser skilled wrestler in Coutre. It would be like them wanting to give Klitschko a title and having him fight Mark Hunt. Klitschko would almost certainly be the UFC champ if he was given that match up. But he'd have to defend his title against versatile fighters and then would eventually get exposed on the ground like Brock got ran out of the sport for his lack of striking. The sports are really not comparable in this aspect. Boxing is a specialist sport and MMA is a versatility sport. By the way, if Anderson Silva tried to box that way against Roy it will be another sad quick ending for him. Even at Roy's deterioration he will outbox and probably KO Silva at some point in the fight. I really think Silva is only doing it for the million dollar payday that top boxers frequently get and UFC fighters get screwed out of.

Thats a good point, he was a tremendous wrestler, buut i wasn't talking about just him, there were others who've found success in mma and not have a strong fighting background. Being super strong helps alot inthe cage, in boxing not so much, even kimbo who has great hands for the mma, looks like a joke in the ring, almost got knocked out his last fight. Btw did you know both Klitchkos have a wrestling background, and Vitali has a kick boxing background, i would actually love to see them in the cage, although id be worried about the safety of any strikers they face.

[jehoshaphat]

let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.

I do agree that a boxer has a better chance of success in MMA than the other way around because at least the boxer has mastered one of the arts coming in. But Brock Lesnar was not merely an entertainment wrestler. He was an actual superb REAL wrestler. He was an All American every year in juco then D1. He also was a D1 national champ. When Brock went to Minnesota his size and demeanor made him the scariest thing in the sport. He had a lot of his opponents terrified. His striking is terrible but wrestling is the best base for MMA so therefore he actually had the best base for MMA mastered before he even had a match. Dana won't admit it but the UFC gave Brock a title shot because of the star power he brought. Brock took UFC out of mediocrity whether they admit it or not. He never earned it(was only 2-1) and fittingly it was against a much smaller, old, and lesser skilled wrestler in Coutre. It would be like them wanting to give Klitschko a title and having him fight Mark Hunt. Klitschko would almost certainly be the UFC champ if he was given that match up. But he'd have to defend his title against versatile fighters and then would eventually get exposed on the ground like Brock got ran out of the sport for his lack of striking. The sports are really not comparable in this aspect. Boxing is a specialist sport and MMA is a versatility sport. By the way, if Anderson Silva tried to box that way against Roy it will be another sad quick ending for him. Even at Roy's deterioration he will outbox and probably KO Silva at some point in the fight. I really think Silva is only doing it for the million dollar payday that top boxers frequently get and UFC fighters get screwed out of.

Thats a good point, he was a tremendous wrestler, buut i wasn't talking about just him, there were others who've found success in mma and not have a strong fighting background. Being super strong helps alot inthe cage, in boxing not so much, even kimbo who has great hands for the mma, looks like a joke in the ring, almost got knocked out his last fight. Btw did you know both Klitchkos have a wrestling background, and Vitali has a kick boxing background, i would actually love to see them in the cage, although id be worried about the safety of any strikers they face.

I guess it depends on what you consider success. In boxing this Mr. Slice fellow, lesser known as Kevin Ferguson, almost got knocked out but in MMA he did get knocked out...twice in like his 6 fights. Once standing and once on the ground. Kimbo was a freak/sideshow in MMA as he is in boxing KOing bums on bum television. Kimbo's success was his drawing power gained from his following on his youtube backyard fights. He was put on TUF for his draw power and then lost his first match. Kimbo drew the most views TUF ever had at the time. Dana knew Kimbo didn't belong just as James Toney didn't but he used them as a drawing sideshow. Boxing doesn't afford fighters such routes. I know some boxing fans still don't want to give MMA their props but it has turned the evolutionary corner and you can't just come into that sport like you could in the 90s.
Anyway, I did not know the Klitschkos had a wrestling background. Are you sure? What kind of background? I knew of Vitali's kickboxing that is very well known. He was world class. But I'd be interested to know of what kind of wrestling experience either one of them had. Are you pulling my leg? And don't tell me Wladimir's background is he wrestled like 2 matches as JV in 10th grade. Or this one time...in band camp.