Gennady Golovkin is better than Andre Ward in many ways

[Onetime]

I'm hoping he fights Gradovich if not than it's pretty bad but as a GGG fan I'm not sure you are allowed to critique it, wouldn't that be hypocrisy?

As far as Im aware Dib is fighting Gradovich on the Pac Rios undercard so it wont be Grado next.

You know when you judge a fighter you can actually watch fights? You dont have to go to boxrec and see who hes fought and how old he is. You can actually watch the fights and judge him by how he performs. Its what most boxing fans do but judging by your comments you arent a real boxing fan.

I'm pretty sure you aren't a fan just a fanboy, you see a fan boy always has an excuse ready. I can't imagine always making excuses for why my favorite boxers. Make up your mind does a resume matter yes or no?

[Silkeyjoe]

I'm hoping he fights Gradovich if not than it's pretty bad but as a GGG fan I'm not sure you are allowed to critique it, wouldn't that be hypocrisy?

As far as Im aware Dib is fighting Gradovich on the Pac Rios undercard so it wont be Grado next.

You know when you judge a fighter you can actually watch fights? You dont have to go to boxrec and see who hes fought and how old he is. You can actually watch the fights and judge him by how he performs. Its what most boxing fans do but judging by your comments you arent a real boxing fan.

I'm pretty sure you aren't a fan just a fanboy, you see a fan boy always has an excuse ready. I can't imagine always making excuses for why my favorite boxers. Make up your mind does a resume matter yes or no?

Of course it matters but if someone hasnt fought anyone of note and you want to judge how he will do in the future you judge him by his performance. Otherwise everyone is shit because noone fights people of note from early on. Fucking retard.

As i said earlier my job is boxing so I reckon I watch more fights then anyone on this forum and if not its pretty close so yes I am a fan. I love the sport.

I dont talk shit about fighters without watching them fight. You can talk shite all you want how I dont like American fighters, which is complete bullshit because I consider Qullin Cuban, Chavez Mexican. So its just Garcia I have called overrated. Also, if you followed anything other then GGG and Garcia youd see im very quick to criticise "top" British fighters such as Barker and Murray, Scottish fighters like Burns, Irish fighters like Lee, French fighters like Ndam, Australian fighters liek Dib and Tomlinson, and many more from all around the world. I dont give a shit where they are from and just judge by boxing skills.

[Onetime]

I'm hoping he fights Gradovich if not than it's pretty bad but as a GGG fan I'm not sure you are allowed to critique it, wouldn't that be hypocrisy?

As far as Im aware Dib is fighting Gradovich on the Pac Rios undercard so it wont be Grado next.

You know when you judge a fighter you can actually watch fights? You dont have to go to boxrec and see who hes fought and how old he is. You can actually watch the fights and judge him by how he performs. Its what most boxing fans do but judging by your comments you arent a real boxing fan.

I'm pretty sure you aren't a fan just a fanboy, you see a fan boy always has an excuse ready. I can't imagine always making excuses for why my favorite boxers. Make up your mind does a resume matter yes or no?

Of course it matters but if someone hasnt fought anyone of note and you want to judge how he will do in the future you judge him by his performance. Otherwise everyone is shit because noone fights people of note from early on. Fucking retard.

As i said earlier my job is boxing so I reckon I watch more fights then anyone on this forum and if not its pretty close so yes I am a fan. I love the sport.

I dont talk shit about fighters without watching them fight. You can talk shite all you want how I dont like American fighters, which is complete bullshit because I consider Qullin Cuban, Chavez Mexican. So its just Garcia I have called overrated. Also, if you followed anything other then GGG and Garcia youd see im very quick to criticise "top" British fighters such as Barker and Murray, Scottish fighters like Burns, Irish fighters like Lee, French fighters like Ndam, Australian fighters liek Dib and Tomlinson, and many more from all around the world. I dont give a shit where they are from and just judge by boxing skills.

I can't tell you how many fighters I've seen on regional TV who looked like beasts because they were fighting over matched guys do you give them credit?

The stuff you say about GGG is so outrageous that it pretty much makes everything else you say invalid, how foolish will you look if he loses what would you do?

[Silkeyjoe]

I can't tell you how many fighters I've seen on regional TV who looked like beasts because they were fighting over matched guys do you give them credit?

The stuff you say about GGG is so outrageous that it pretty much makes everything else you say invalid, how foolish will you look if he loses what would you do?

Ill just admit I was wrong and move on. You cant be right everytime. Overmatched? Like Quillin v Ndam or Chavez v Lee? Macklin v GGG was a mismatch but man GGG looked good in that fight. Quillin and Chavez didnt. It gets to a point when you ask what isnt over matched for GGG? What would GGG have to do for you to give him credit and say he looks like he could be an all time great?

[Onetime]

I can't tell you how many fighters I've seen on regional TV who looked like beasts because they were fighting over matched guys do you give them credit?

The stuff you say about GGG is so outrageous that it pretty much makes everything else you say invalid, how foolish will you look if he loses what would you do?

Ill just admit I was wrong and move on. You cant be right everytime. Overmatched? Like Quillin v Ndam or Chavez v Lee? Macklin v GGG was a mismatch but man GGG looked good in that fight. Quillin and Chavez didnt. It gets to a point when you ask what isnt over matched for GGG? What would GGG have to do for you to give him credit and say he looks like he could be an all time great?

Point blank you can't count amateurs toward the pros which GGG fans have a habit of doing, I can't consider a fighter an ATG while Ishida is one of his best wins, would you rather have a career where you faced a ton of elite and even some ATG guys or do you want to be undefeated but have to say Ishida is a great win, I think we have very different standards, I'd take Manny's career over GGG even if he goes undefeated but has no ATGs or elite fighters.

[Silkeyjoe]

I can't tell you how many fighters I've seen on regional TV who looked like beasts because they were fighting over matched guys do you give them credit?

The stuff you say about GGG is so outrageous that it pretty much makes everything else you say invalid, how foolish will you look if he loses what would you do?

Ill just admit I was wrong and move on. You cant be right everytime. Overmatched? Like Quillin v Ndam or Chavez v Lee? Macklin v GGG was a mismatch but man GGG looked good in that fight. Quillin and Chavez didnt. It gets to a point when you ask what isnt over matched for GGG? What would GGG have to do for you to give him credit and say he looks like he could be an all time great?

Point blank you can't count amateurs toward the pros which GGG fans have a habit of doing, I can't consider a fighter an ATG while Ishida is one of his best wins, would you rather have a career where you faced a ton of elite and even some ATG guys or do you want to be undefeated but have to say Ishida is a great win, I think we have very different standards, I'd take Manny's career over GGG even if he goes undefeated but has no ATGs or elite fighters.

You should ask Floyd this. I dont know of anyone who has said GGG is an all time great, I certainly havent. Im just saying it looks like he has the potential to become one. Would I consider him an all time great if he clears up the MW division? Probably not because the div is weak, but if he moved down and fought and beat Canelo or Floyd or moves up and beats Ward or Froch, then yes he will be an all time great.

He is 31 now coming into the peak of his career. For me the next 4 years will show how good he is. I think he will be great and I hope I am right because he comes across as a nice guy.

[Rantcatrat]

Ward is an odd place right now in his career. He is having legal difficulties with his promoter and he hasn't fought in a while. At 168, there really isn't a great incentive for Froch or Kessler, the two other cash cows in the division, to face him because they can make the same amount of money facing each other. 7 pounds above him he has some good challenges in Stevenson, Kovalev, Cleverly, Cloud, and Hopkins. It might make sense for him to move up to 175.

On the other hand, GGG still has work to do at 160. If it is true that he comes in to camp at 167, he can still make the division weight limit easy enough, and there is no reason why he should jump up in weight, unless the money is too good to pass up. I would prefer to see him clean out the division. It would appear that HBO is setting up the winner of Geale/Barker to face GGG in the winter. That should be a great fight. There is also Murray.

I don't think we'll see GGG and Ward anytime soon is my point.

[Onetime]

I can't tell you how many fighters I've seen on regional TV who looked like beasts because they were fighting over matched guys do you give them credit?

The stuff you say about GGG is so outrageous that it pretty much makes everything else you say invalid, how foolish will you look if he loses what would you do?

Ill just admit I was wrong and move on. You cant be right everytime. Overmatched? Like Quillin v Ndam or Chavez v Lee? Macklin v GGG was a mismatch but man GGG looked good in that fight. Quillin and Chavez didnt. It gets to a point when you ask what isnt over matched for GGG? What would GGG have to do for you to give him credit and say he looks like he could be an all time great?

Point blank you can't count amateurs toward the pros which GGG fans have a habit of doing, I can't consider a fighter an ATG while Ishida is one of his best wins, would you rather have a career where you faced a ton of elite and even some ATG guys or do you want to be undefeated but have to say Ishida is a great win, I think we have very different standards, I'd take Manny's career over GGG even if he goes undefeated but has no ATGs or elite fighters.

You should ask Floyd this. I dont know of anyone who has said GGG is an all time great, I certainly havent. Im just saying it looks like he has the potential to become one. Would I consider him an all time great if he clears up the MW division? Probably not because the div is weak, but if he moved down and fought and beat Canelo or Floyd or moves up and beats Ward or Froch, then yes he will be an all time great.

He is 31 now coming into the peak of his career. For me the next 4 years will show how good he is. I think he will be great and I hope I am right because he comes across as a nice guy.

Floyd without a doubt stopped trying after Oscar and any honest fan will tell he didn't reach the level his talents would have let him.

Honestly if you were trying to make GGG disliked you couldn't have done a better job hype always creates backlash.

[Boxer4life]

And yet ward would completely obliterate him....the irony

[FinitoElDinamita]

The thread starter sounds like a novice boxing fan so we should be nice..

Im not a fan of Ward's style, I dislike him really, but to say that Golovkin is better than him in so many ways is dowright outrageous. It's retarded really..

Golovkin is not in Ward's league until he proves otherwise.