RollingStone crossed the line imo

[IamInuit]

I don't look at it as a right or left thing. I just view it as a right or wrong thing. Regardless of political stripes I just think its over the top. There is something wrong if the need to keep something antiquated afloat resorts to this kind of tactic. No doubt they may have broken a record in sales or perhaps increased stagnant sales generally but were the purchases made for the articles or the cover? At least when Manson appeared on the cover almost in Warhol fashion it was clear he was a psychopath. This mad bomber is depicted as a hipster Jim Morrison look alike with an expression in kind and almost victimized in parts of the article.

It all seems so schizophrenic.

[El Kabong]

The point I was trying to make @IamInuit was that quote "In terms of politics, I'd say he's just as anti-American as the next guy in Cambridge" is something that was said in such a nonchalant manner but it evokes a very deep issue in America especially in terms of the politics of the youth in America and where does that come from? Most of those kids are not smart enough to research and figure out their own political stances they get it from TV and the internet and celebrities I am certain but my own personal issue is that teachers in the schools are teaching American kids to hate America...I know, I've been in classes with some of those professors who for no good reason bash the fuck out of this country. America isn't perfect no country is, but to cultivate self loathing and self hate.....that really bothers me as a citizen but as a human being too. Why would you hate yourself for being born in a certain place or a certain culture? Hating America doesn't change America....Dzokhar's bombing won't make America treat Muslims in other nations any differently and it will probably stoke an anti-Muslim sentiment in the Northeast rather than make people empathize with their supposed plight. Nothing in America got in the way of those Tsarnaev brothers practicing Islam, NOTHING, they are free to worship and live and prosper in America and what did they do? They let down their nonradical Muslim friends and family by bombing the marathon. They too cultivated hate, and that won't serve anyone well.



Dzohokhar Tsarnaev pictures: Dramatic new pictures of the moment Boston Bomber emerged from the boat | Mail Online

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I don't look at it as a right or left thing. I just view it as a right or wrong thing. Regardless of political stripes I just think its over the top. There is something wrong if the need to keep something antiquated afloat resorts to this kind of tactic. No doubt they may have broken a record in sales or perhaps increased stagnant sales generally but were the purchases made for the articles or the cover? At least when Manson appeared on the cover almost in Warhol fashion it was clear he was a psychopath. This mad bomber is depicted as a hipster Jim Morrison look alike with an expression in kind and almost victimized in parts of the article.

It all seems so schizophrenic.

and yet Manson never killed anyone.

Part of the point is he was one of us yet something changed.
Not all terrorists are hook-handed, glass eyed loons

[IamInuit]

What they should have done given a certain cities relevance to music historically as well as being the backbone of the NA car industry given its present state of affairs was a cover featuring Detroit.

[El Kabong]

What they should have done given a certain cities relevance to music historically as well as being the backbone of the NA car industry given its present state of affairs was a cover featuring Detroit.

I'm thinking they didn't do that because an intellectually honest article on why Detroit went bankrupt would put Rolling Stone's writers, readers, etc own political views in the crosshairs and show why the policies they love are not the greatest. Detroit is a friggin sad story, it's tragic...it went from being a thriving city with the highest per capita income in the United States in 1961 to an absolute rundown shithole in a matter of 20 years and bankrupt shithole in 40 years!


The issue with the picture is that Rolling Stone intentionally chose a picture that made Dzokhar look like the lead singer of some 90's grunge band. Its a picture made to make Dzokhar look like a victim....he wasn't he made a conscious decision to do what he did and he can't suffer enough for it. I think perhaps a side-by-side of "Teen heart throb Dzokhar" and "Battered and Bloodied Terrorist Dzokhar" could have sent the message of "How did he get from being this kid to being this monster?" a little better.

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[Howlin Mad Missy]

did people notice the political tag lines on the cover or just look at the shiny pictures? The Stones haven't done anything worth writing about for 40+ years, except not die

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[Beanz]

did people notice the political tag lines on the cover or just look at the shiny pictures? The Stones haven't done anything worth writing about for 40+ years, except not die

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" No we only looked at the pictures because we are dumb and shallow " is that what you want us to say? The OP IamInuit said in his first post that he had no problem with the article itself? Have you actually read the article yet? It is a highly symbolic gesture to use such a flattering selfie shot on the cover of a magazine whose primary focus is the adulation of musical and other celebrities. It's not the New York Post, or the London Times, and never will be however much social comment it carries. The article itself refers to his appearance as though that is of any relevance whatsoever, and worst of all tries to shift the blame from the individual onto his family, which is alluded to in the tagline "How a popular, promising student was failed by his family.."

He wasn't particularly popular or promising at all and your family leaving you as an adult to go back to Russia is hardly failing you. It had it's moments of clarity, the allusion to his wanting to connect with his roots and his "jihadification"

"To me, this is classic diasporic reconstruction of identity: 'I'm a Chechen, and we're fighting for jihad, and what am I doing? Nothing.' It's not unlike the way some Irish-Americans used to link Ireland and the IRA – they'd never been to Northern Ireland in their lives, but you'd go to certain parts of Southie in Boston, and all you see are donation cans for the IRA."

That said it also had it s moments of immense and offensive stupidity

Theo, who goes to college in Vermont and is one of the few of Jahar's friends to not have any college loans, can't imagine the stress Jahar must have felt. "He had all of this stuff piled up on his shoulders, as well as college, which he's having to pay for himself. That's not easy. All of that just might make you say 'Fuck it' and give up and lose faith.
Wick Sloane, an education advocate and a local community-college professor, sees this as a widespread condition among many young immigrants who pass through his classrooms. "All of these kids are grateful to be in the United States. But it's the usual thing: Is this the land of opportunity or isn't it? When I look at what they've been through, and how they are screwed by federal policies from the moment they turn around, I don't understand why all of them aren't angrier. I'm actually kind of surprised it's taken so long for one of these kids to set off a bomb."

Symbols are everything, they are not just representative they are the whole thing. You Can carry a story about The Boston Bomber without pandering to his own, and the vanity of your readers, by putting such a soppy self shot on the cover. It's cynical and designed to create controversy and shift volume, the bottom line, make money, to pretend otherwise is the shallow option.

[Beanz]

What they should have done given a certain cities relevance to music historically as well as being the backbone of the NA car industry given its present state of affairs was a cover featuring Detroit.

You are right, Detroit Musically has gifted the world with incredibly important musicians and musical movements. It's story so inextricably linked with industry and industriousness, factories in the musical and mechanical sense and a dark underbelly of poverty and resilience that have spawned musical ecstasy and agony, something that given it's current state of declared bankruptcy, could not have been more relevant or prescient.

[El Kabong]

I actually believe Rolling Stone, its writers and editors are basking in the glow of this controversy for a few reasons

#1 They are uber left wingers and/or non-conformists and they simply get off on being controversial just for the sake of being that way not to make a point, not to inspire, not for any other reason than to stir shit up.

#2 Rolling Stone, like any other magazine is feeling the hurt...the paper mag game ain't what it once was and any kind of hype they can generate about the mag is seen as good.

[Nameless]

I actually believe Rolling Stone, its writers and editors are basking in the glow of this controversy for a few reasons

#1 They are uber left wingers and/or non-conformists and they simply get off on being controversial just for the sake of being that way not to make a point, not to inspire, not for any other reason than to stir shit up.

#2 Rolling Stone, like any other magazine is feeling the hurt...the paper mag game ain't what it once was and any kind of hype they can generate about the mag is seen as good.

I agree with what you say except for the left wingers thing; Most left wingers (like me, a moderate one however) do not agree at all with what the 2 little twats did in Boston and I am the first one to be shocked by the poor choice for their cover magazine.

[IamInuit]

I actually believe Rolling Stone, its writers and editors are basking in the glow of this controversy for a few reasons

#1 They are uber left wingers and/or non-conformists and they simply get off on being controversial just for the sake of being that way not to make a point, not to inspire, not for any other reason than to stir shit up.

#2 Rolling Stone, like any other magazine is feeling the hurt...the paper mag game ain't what it once was and any kind of hype they can generate about the mag is seen as good.

I agree with what you say except for the left wingers thing; Most left wingers (like me, a moderate one however) do not agree at all with what the 2 little twats did in Boston and I am the first one to be shocked by the poor choice for their cover magazine.

I am left of centre also and feel the same.

[IamInuit]

I don't look at it as a right or left thing. I just view it as a right or wrong thing. Regardless of political stripes I just think its over the top. There is something wrong if the need to keep something antiquated afloat resorts to this kind of tactic. No doubt they may have broken a record in sales or perhaps increased stagnant sales generally but were the purchases made for the articles or the cover? At least when Manson appeared on the cover almost in Warhol fashion it was clear he was a psychopath. This mad bomber is depicted as a hipster Jim Morrison look alike with an expression in kind and almost victimized in parts of the article.

It all seems so schizophrenic.

and yet Manson never killed anyone.

Part of the point is he was one of us yet something changed.
Not all terrorists are hook-handed, glass eyed loons

I understand the point they are attempting to make and I am again disturbed by any hint of the normalcy of terrorists either directly or indirectly. I find the depiction odd and wrong on many levels with the first being in order to sell more copy. If people don't have a problem with it that's fine.