Duran : In My Era, Mayweather Would Have Been Ordinary

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Is this the same duran who quit in the ring after being outboxed?.

^Y'see, this is what I'm talkin' about...

Quitting in Boxing is NOT reserved solely for Duran though it appears he's the only man who is ever, ever crucified for it.

Some of you will remember:
The Great Julio Cesar Chavez quit too.
I think Larry Merchant was close to getting poked by Chavez when he told Chavez it’s ironic that Chavez made Roger Mayweather quit, and now De La Hoya made you quit! We had to wait for Larry to be translated before we saw the anger registering on Chavez’ face.
YouTube - Julio Cesar Chavez's Bullshit
Pretty funny. Larry has had a few entertaining moments.
And then Pacquiao made De La Hoya quit!

Do you think Kostya Tszyu quit against Ricky Hatton?
Could De La Hoya have gotten up against Bernard Hopkins?
What about Erik Morales last fight with Manny Pacquiao, could Morales have gotten up?
Shane Mosley trying to quit against Pacquiao?

All these "quitters" are Hall-of-Fame bound.

Liston vs Ali 1 (Ali wanted to quit over burning substance in his eyes, but Dundee wouldn’t let him; Liston quit 2 rds later!).
Iron Mike Tyson quit a few times.

Cotto vs Margarito?
Julian Jackson against Gerald McClellan 2?
Alexis Arguello vs Aaron Pryor 2?

Arthur Abraham vs Raul Marquez?
Sam Peter vs Vitali Klitschko?
Vitali Klitschko vs Chris Byrd?
Acelino Frietas more than once (Diaz, Corrales).
Andrew Golota against Mike Tyson and Michael Grant.
Arturo Gatti against Floyd Mayweather?
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez 1?

As I said, quitting is NOT reserved solely for Duran though it appears he's the only man who is ever, ever crucified for it.

I know 99.9% of people don't have the cajones to be fighters.
99% of guys like to fairy-tale imagine themselves like Rocky Balboa, keeping getting up for more punishment time-after-time after being brutally knocked down.
Fat chance, the reality is regular guys will choose to stay down for the 10 seconds if it means the pain will stop.
A rude awakening greets anyone who ever strolls into a gym and puts the mitts on.


I know this new breed of apparently superior fighters, MMA fighters, they sure quit a lot...every broadcast. Nobody condemns them.

Duran's one of the best fighters of All-Time.

99% percent of people dont want to be boxers.

If you choose to be a boxer or are talented enough to be a boxer then
Thats the road you choose.

Lets not compare every fighter under the sun but just stick to the two in question.

Theres not many fighters that quit the way duran did and he quit on his own..his trainer didnt throw in the towel.

Floyd has never quit and he has never lost AND he has fought so many different styles!

Duran would not beat mayweather at any stage of his career IMHO.

Victor ortiz quit the other day but he had a broken jaw.

Every boxer has their own reason for quitting.
It Does not mean there any less of a boxer.

[jehoshaphat]

Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and Ray Leonard.
And even when Duran was past his prime, older, slower, and waaay out of his weight class(135), he still won rds at 160 against a prime Hagler.

In the era of same-day weigh-ins when men fought where they really belonged, Duran was a Lightweight 135 lbs. Leonard was 147lbs. Hearns best weight was really 154. Hagler was 160.

135 lb Champ in 1972, Duran's spectacular run culminated in 1980 by going up 12 lbs to 147 and defeating a prime undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard in a 15 rd battle.
Duran was 71 wins and 1 loss (avenged), 55 KOs going into that 1st Ray Leonard fight.


It's unfortunate that people nowadays judge Duran by his high-profile 80s fights when he was past his prime, older, slower, and fatter rather than by his prime through the 1970s at Lightweight.

It's like ignoring a prime Mike Tyson's 80s performances, like it didn't happen, and basing everything you know on his post-prison, past his prime performances instead. That's what ignoramuses do to Duran nowadays...

I don't think people in this thread are basing Duran's career after his lightweight run. Besides, his lightweight run wasn't exactly murderers row. A lot of fighters move up in weight for bigger fish. And Duran didn't go up 12 pounds to fight Leonard. He had already been at welterweight and fought 7 times before the Leonard bout. We are keeping it relevant to Duran's comments and how he linked Mayweather to the fab 4 of his day. So were like...well lets look at it then. Duran fought 4 of his matches against Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns in like a 4 year span. Basically from the ages of 29-32. When would you guess he was out of his prime? Leonard made him quit, Hagler beat him, and Hearns mercilessly KO'd him. Not to mention his loss to Benitez in that span. I'm not trying to discredit Duran for anything but I also always try to be fair, honest, and neutral. I would be very interested in how you figure Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and especially Leonard.

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Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and Ray Leonard.
And even when Duran was past his prime, older, slower, and waaay out of his weight class(135), he still won rds at 160 against a prime Hagler.

In the era of same-day weigh-ins when men fought where they really belonged, Duran was a Lightweight 135 lbs. Leonard was 147lbs. Hearns best weight was really 154. Hagler was 160.

135 lb Champ in 1972, Duran's spectacular run culminated in 1980 by going up 12 lbs to 147 and defeating a prime undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard in a 15 rd battle.
Duran was 71 wins and 1 loss (avenged), 55 KOs going into that 1st Ray Leonard fight.


It's unfortunate that people nowadays judge Duran by his high-profile 80s fights when he was past his prime, older, slower, and fatter rather than by his prime through the 1970s at Lightweight.

It's like ignoring a prime Mike Tyson's 80s performances, like it didn't happen, and basing everything you know on his post-prison, past his prime performances instead. That's what ignoramuses do to Duran nowadays...

I don't think people in this thread are basing Duran's career after his lightweight run. Besides, his lightweight run wasn't exactly murderers row. A lot of fighters move up in weight for bigger fish. And Duran didn't go up 12 pounds to fight Leonard. He had already been at welterweight and fought 7 times before the Leonard bout. We are keeping it relevant to Duran's comments and how he linked Mayweather to the fab 4 of his day. So were like...well lets look at it then. Duran fought 4 of his matches against Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns in like a 4 year span. Basically from the ages of 29-32. When would you guess he was out of his prime? Leonard made him quit, Hagler beat him, and Hearns mercilessly KO'd him. Not to mention his loss to Benitez in that span. I'm not trying to discredit Duran for anything but I also always try to be fair, honest, and neutral. I would be very interested in how you figure Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and especially Leonard.

Exactly.

Everyone wants to pick there best version of duran but whatever legend he may be he came up short against the other three.

Mayweather adapts and dominates duran with his speed, defense and precision.

[El Kabong]

Exactly.

Everyone wants to pick there best version of duran but whatever legend he may be he came up short against the other three.

Mayweather adapts and dominates duran with his speed, defense and precision.

Mayweather has never and will never EVER EVER fight anyone the caliber of Roberto Duran FACT end of discussion...next topic

[Onetime]

Exactly.

Everyone wants to pick there best version of duran but whatever legend he may be he came up short against the other three.

Mayweather adapts and dominates duran with his speed, defense and precision.

Mayweather has never and will never EVER EVER fight anyone the caliber of Roberto Duran FACT end of discussion...next topic

If I said the same think about the Klits and ATG heavyweights would you agree?

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Exactly.

Everyone wants to pick there best version of duran but whatever legend he may be he came up short against the other three.

Mayweather adapts and dominates duran with his speed, defense and precision.

Mayweather has never and will never EVER EVER fight anyone the caliber of Roberto Duran FACT end of discussion...next topic

Lol.

This coming from the wlad fan club.

Dont let the hate for floyd the individual overshadow what he does in the ring.

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Lets flip the script.

Would duran even survive in floyds era.

Dont be surprised if a prime cotto gets him out by 8 via bodyshots.

A prime roid mosley destroys duran in 6.

Obviously these fights wont occur but dont underestimate what we have today in boxing.

This is our era.

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

Ps:- would duran even beat manny pac?

[El Kabong]

If I said the same think about the Klits and ATG heavyweights would you agree?

Say what you want about them, doesn't bother me, nor does it affect their legacies. In fact what Duran said about Floyd doesn't affect HIS legacy so why get all emotional and defensive like a little girl?

What Roberto Duran said is true...however nobody has said Floyd isn't a great fighter, nobody is taking away what he's done in the ring, but you get all upset just because an old timer doesn't kiss the ass of a current fighter and a few fans happen to agree.....that's fucking sad man

[bradlee180]

Floyd has never quit and he has never lost AND he has fought so many different styles!

Since 2002 when Castillo whupped him at 135 and got robbed on the cards, Floyd ducked everyone with a pulse. Started avoiding literally all the best fighters at 135, 140, 147... for literally 9 years! The only legitimate top prime fighter he fought in those years was Ricky Hatton.

It's good that in the last year, he's finally decided to fight some top guys because being known more for who you didn't fight is not the legacy a fighter wants.

Face it, Floyd didn't have the guts that men like Duran, Hagler, Leonard, and Hearns did.

[El Kabong]

Lets flip the script.

Would duran even survive in floyds era.

Dont be surprised if a prime cotto gets him out by 8 via bodyshots.

A prime roid mosley destroys duran in 6.

Obviously these fights wont occur but dont underestimate what we have today in boxing.

This is our era.

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

Ps:- would duran even beat manny pac?

Would Duran survive? You are seriously asking "Would the GREATEST LIGHTWEIGHT OF ALL-TIME survive Floyd's era?" .....are you that stupid?

I didn't know Floyd Mayweather Jr was immune to criticism...guess I missed that part. Every other boxer, oh yeah we can find flaws with them, but Floyd? Naaaaah man, totally 100% perfect

[FinitoElDinamita]

Floyd would have held his own in any era but he definitely wouldnt have been as successful back then as he is today..

He wouldnt fight Margarito and Pacquiao so I can only imagine what it would take to get him inside the ring with a beast like Duran.

Duran wouldnt be intimidated by Floyd's reputation, his cute shoulders rolls and hype.... He'd just jump right in there and maul his ass..

Guys like Oscar and Cotto were successful with their jabs but ultimately failed cuz they couldnt keep it up for 12 rounds but Duran had the energy to implement the style for 15 rounds..

[justaguy]

Fact is, we don't know.

Training looks a lot different now... different techniques, different philosophies, and different science to the sport. It is close to impossible to say who would have done what in what era.

When we look at boxing IQ and beating the man in front of you - which is all that a boxer can be asked to do - fighters today would have done just fine against fighters back in the day. The Klits would have held their own - they are HUGE compared to many of the ATG heavyweight champs. Those guys would have never seen the likes of them. But does that mean the innate skills are the same? No.

Fighters in Duran's day fought at least two to three times a year - most fought more. That's not the case anymore... if all of these guys fought more often and TRULY had to clear out a division, would they be undefeated? Doubtful. But I have no doubt that they would hold their own.

[IamInuit]

Fact is, we don't know.

Training looks a lot different now... different techniques, different philosophies, and different science to the sport. It is close to impossible to say who would have done what in what era.

When we look at boxing IQ and beating the man in front of you - which is all that a boxer can be asked to do - fighters today would have done just fine against fighters back in the day. The Klits would have held their own - they are HUGE compared to many of the ATG heavyweight champs. Those guys would have never seen the likes of them. But does that mean the innate skills are the same? No.

Fighters in Duran's day fought at least two to three times a year - most fought more. That's not the case anymore... if all of these guys fought more often and TRULY had to clear out a division, would they be undefeated? Doubtful. But I have no doubt that they would hold their own.

Agree 100% and this comment from 1 cell Duran should not surprise anybody. He said the same things about Leonard and Hearns. He never was the brightest bulb in the room. Personality is not pugilism and there is little doubt in my mind that Floyd hangs at the top in any era. Duran probably beats him at 135 because Floyd was a much different fighter early in career and was still developing.
The comment is just stupid. End of story.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Fact is, we don't know.

Training looks a lot different now... different techniques, different philosophies, and different science to the sport. It is close to impossible to say who would have done what in what era.

When we look at boxing IQ and beating the man in front of you - which is all that a boxer can be asked to do - fighters today would have done just fine against fighters back in the day. The Klits would have held their own - they are HUGE compared to many of the ATG heavyweight champs. Those guys would have never seen the likes of them. But does that mean the innate skills are the same? No.

Fighters in Duran's day fought at least two to three times a year - most fought more. That's not the case anymore... if all of these guys fought more often and TRULY had to clear out a division, would they be undefeated? Doubtful. But I have no doubt that they would hold their own.

lol U make it sound like Duran fought in the 30s or something. All the methods you mentioned hasn't evolved all that much since Duran's era.. If anything, it has regressed..

You want to talk about conditioning? Fighters back then were conditioned to go 15 hard rounds and Duran certainly had no problems with it..

Technique did u say? We can argue that fighters back were superior in that area as well.. They were more skilled in terms of Inside-fighting, body punching and combination punching ..

Some of these techniques are a lost art in today's boxing.

Boxing and Baseball are two sports that hasn't evolved much..

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Lets flip the script.

Would duran even survive in floyds era.

Dont be surprised if a prime cotto gets him out by 8 via bodyshots.

A prime roid mosley destroys duran in 6.

Obviously these fights wont occur but dont underestimate what we have today in boxing.

This is our era.

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

Ps:- would duran even beat manny pac?

Would Duran survive? You are seriously asking "Would the GREATEST LIGHTWEIGHT OF ALL-TIME survive Floyd's era?" .....are you that stupid?

I didn't know Floyd Mayweather Jr was immune to criticism...guess I missed that part. Every other boxer, oh yeah we can find flaws with them, but Floyd? Naaaaah man, totally 100% perfect

Lightweight! Exactly.

Im talking welterweight.

Floyd has flaws but you cant seriously say he has more flaws than duran.

Duran came up short when stepping up to the big guns..natural progression is up.

Theres a case against floyd for leonard and hearns but IMHO duran would not have been an issue as those hands of stone just wouldnt touch a better defensive version of benitez in mayweather.

I see a baldomir type of fight with roberto saying "no mas" in the 9th round as the frustation would get the better of him.