H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him

[ryanman]

If I remember correctly...Lewis was getting his ass kicked by Vitali but Vitalis cutman couldn't get the bleeding stopped. I remember the entire crowd booing that night at Lewis's post fight interview because they all knew he was getting his ass kicked. Even the old man doing the post fight interview (Merchant) was asking him questions like..."Do you think you should have won this fight". Vitali wanted a rematch bad and was relentless in his pursuit of that rematch. Lewis knew he'd get his ass handed to him so he retired.

Getting his ass kicked is a massive overstatement. Lewis had a horrible first few rounds, looking like he was fighting through treacle, but he had started to turn the tide. They both hit each other with huge shots and didn't budge. Vitali was ahead at the time of the stoppage for sure but Lewis was on an upward curve for sure. How the fight would have ended is not clear at all.
Lewis only ever gets shit for not rematching him, but never any credit for actually fighting the most dangerous opponent out there, at that stage of his career, and as a late change of opponent!

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Lennox lewis is so good he could get back into training now and cause drama in the heavyweight divison.

Lewis is in my top 5 heavyweights of all time and avenged both his losses.

They were not lucky punches but lewis chin was unlucky to be in the way of it at the time.

Any era, lewis is a serious problem.

The worst lennox lewis beat a prime vitali and vitali is the best of the bunch today even at 40+ years old.

Wlad and vitali are brothers who come in superb physical condition and have held the torch since lennox
Retired.

Lennox is truly an ATG.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

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Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

Damn right he hits harder

He hits harder than most no?

Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...

Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.

There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.

[p4pking]

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

Damn right he hits harder

He hits harder than most no?

Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...

Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.

There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.

Wladimir couldn't KO David Haye, but Lennox Lewis would have no choice but to go out on his shield huh Who the hell has Wlad ever fought that's even close to Lewis, I think you're being fairly wishful here. Each his own...but Wlad more athletic, seriously? I guess power, quickness and footwork are debatable in themselves, but he had nowhere near the overall athleticism or depth that Lennox did, he is so mechanical in comparison there are no words. My point was that Lennox was knocked out both times by shorter men who threw wide while stepping in. Wlad never throws that way, is never in position to, so it's very unlikely he'd catch Lennox in a similar fashion. Does Wlad hit hard enough to hurt him with a straight right that Lennox would see coming? It's certainly possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. On the flip side, I have a pretty hard time seeing Wlad taking anything solid from Lewis as would most I suspect. If a fight broke out at ANY point in close, Wlad would be the one getting flattened.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

Damn right he hits harder

He hits harder than most no?

Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...

Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.

There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.

Wladimir couldn't KO David Haye, but Lennox Lewis would have no choice but to go out on his shield huh

What does Haye have to do with anything? Haye had his game-plan which required Wladimir to do something alien to his instincts and it failed. Lennox was obviously the more destructive fighter and dare I say more exciting but Wladimir is by far the more disciplined fighter (admittedly though, mostly out of necessity) and negated any threat while banking a majority of the rounds.

Just look at the Shannon Briggs fight, Lennox was looking foolish at times and practically gave up trying to box in sports. Hands down, tomfoolery etc.

Who the hell has Wlad ever fought that's even close to Lewis, I think you're being fairly wishful here.

No I'm just putting it out there. Lennox is my guy but Wladimir hits harder than his brother, is faster than his brother, is a better boxer and is more coordinated than his brother so it's perfectly viable that he would a better job than his brother, no?

Each his own...but Wlad more athletic, seriously? I guess power, quickness and footwork are debatable in themselves, but he had nowhere near the overall athleticism or depth that Lennox did, he is so mechanical in comparison there are no words.

Lennox was not quick and was somewhat clumsy on his feet - Which is partly why someone with a good jab could give him problems. Personally, I think Wladimir is pretty good on his feet and his overall athleticism IMO is far greater.

Take this how you like but I get the feeling Wladimir could excel at sports to a degree that Lennox could not. He could probably run faster, jump higher, swim further. Is more balletic. Is probably a smarter man and a better thinker.

Does Wlad hit hard enough to hurt him with a straight right that Lennox would see coming?

Probably. Yeah I'd say so.

On the flip side, I have a pretty hard time seeing Wlad taking anything solid from Lewis as would most I suspect. If a fight broke out at ANY point in close, Wlad would be the one getting flattened.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with that.

[FinitoElDinamita]

When McCall and rahman knocked out Lewis, they really stepped in with the right hand and put their whole body into it. They saw an opening and threw that punch with conviction.

Today,s version of wlad rarely, if ever, fully commits to his punches in fear of counters. Defense is on his mind at all times.

Wlad wouldn't take chances like mccall and rahman. He gets his ass kicked

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Tyson sparred with mccall in the 80s.
I think theres footage on youtube.
Oliver was a tough nut to crack.

[armin]

its boxing anyone can beat anyone on any given night, but he'd be a tough fight for any of the past greats . He beat vitali fair and square and it was a great fight and while vitali may have not wanted the fight stopped, its a good thing they did he might be blind in one eye if they had not stopped it. However to say vitali was fadin and lenox was comming on isn't necessarily true as I remember vitali taking the 5th and 6th rounds but perhaps my memory is betraying me. all I know for sure is I would have loved to have seen a rematch it was a great fight and it was the last time nonboxing fans gave a shit about the heavies

[BIG H]

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

[Jerry Rice]

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

How would you know if we have a strait face or not ?

[armin]

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

[imp]

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

[armin]

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

Uhm and what I said is in disagreement exactly how?