Duran : In My Era, Mayweather Would Have Been Ordinary

[El Kabong]

Have some balls and embrace your inner Zimmerman I've seen your comments in off topic you hate blacks.

I don't "hate blacks" I do hate people (of any color) that celebrate ignorance which is apparently something you wish to defend.

[Onetime]

Have some balls and embrace your inner Zimmerman I've seen your comments in off topic you hate blacks.

I don't "hate blacks" I do hate people (of any color) that celebrate ignorance which is apparently something you wish to defend.

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

[El Kabong]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

[Onetime]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

[El Kabong]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

[Onetime]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

[El Kabong]

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

Typical for you to go to an argument based solely on emotion rather than one on FACT because the facts don't support what you want.

#1 Never did I say that Floyd isn't a great fighter as evidenced by your failing to find any quotes by me saying anything negative about Floyd AT ALL

#2 You've called me a racist and a Nazi because why? Because I expect Floyd to prove himself in the ring? Because I like and respect the current heavyweight champions of the world?

#3 So because I might have different political views from you I'm an evil person who "hates black people"....well Mike Tyson has also supported Republicans so you can sit & spin for all I care

[bradlee180]

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

Hmmmm, K2, the Klitschko brothers' promotion.

The Nazis and Soviet Union fought AGAINST each other in WWII.
The Klitschkos were born into the Soviet Union; Nazis are from Germany.

[Violent Demise]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

You haven't?

[bradlee180]

Floyd's a very good defensive boxer, but he's not an All-Time Great.

He's certainly elite world-class, I don't think anybody's ever disputed that.
Fighters in the Top 3 rankings are the best-of-the-best.

The problem is he avoided too many of his fellow top prime fighters during the past 9 years since 2002.
Most of his peers fought each other in their primes except Floyd who constantly picked the right time when the opponent was too old, a bit past it, called up in weight, etc.

If you're really that good, why constantly and consistently stack the odds?
Floyd wants to decide the size of the ring, the size of the gloves, the brand of gloves for both him and his opponent, the venue so he can use xylocaine, the weight they'll fight at, he wants to be an athlete superceding the State Athletic Commission when it's their job to regulate boxing and it's not for any athlete to regulate a sport. He wants 70-30 splits. He wants his name to come first on billing, and his opponent to enter first so that he can make them wait on him in the ring. He wants to influence who'll be the ref.
If you're really that good, then why stack the odds to this excessive level? There is gamesmanship and posturing in boxing, but I've never heard of ANY fighter doing this to this extreme.

Those guys in the 80s fought each other during their primes, and they wanted to fight the other guy when the other guy was at his best; they didn't want him to have any excuses.

[imp]

Floyd's a very good defensive boxer, but he's not an All-Time Great.

He's certainly elite world-class, I don't think anybody's ever disputed that.
Fighters in the Top 3 rankings are the best-of-the-best.

The problem is he avoided too many of his fellow top prime fighters during the past 9 years since 2002.
Most of his peers fought each other in their primes except Floyd who constantly picked the right time when the opponent was too old, a bit past it, called up in weight, etc.

If you're really that good, why constantly and consistently stack the odds?
Floyd wants to decide the size of the ring, the size of the gloves, the brand of gloves for both him and his opponent, the venue so he can use xylocaine, the weight they'll fight at, he wants to be an athlete superceding the State Athletic Commission when it's their job to regulate boxing and it's not for any athlete to regulate a sport. He wants 70-30 splits. He wants his name to come first on billing, and his opponent to enter first so that he can make them wait on him in the ring. He wants to influence who'll be the ref.
If you're really that good, then why stack the odds to this excessive level? There is gamesmanship and posturing in boxing, but I've never heard of ANY fighter doing this to this extreme.

Those guys in the 80s fought each other during their primes, and they wanted to fight the other guy when the other guy was at his best; they didn't want him to have any excuses.

Yet again, a load of rubbish imho

All this talk on floyd avoiding and will never be an all time great..what are you talking about?!

He already is!

Oscar used to dictate the same stuff!

"The guys in the 80s, the guys in the 80s etc..Get over it!!

Its 2013 and the best fighters fight twice a year!

I hate the fact floyd, ward, froch fight twice a year and i wish they could fight 4-5 times a year but it seems to take that long in this day and age to build a fight like that and more money is involved.

If floyd fought 4 times a year knowing the way he trains and performs in the ring who in this era will beat him at 147?

If floyd, marquez or even manny were fighting in the 80s they would be fighying 15 rounds and fighting more often but whos to say if that would have a positive/negative effect on them.

Please bradlee, tell us all who in this era is perfect in your honest opinion and has fought every single fighter in their prime whilst taking a paycut and not having a day in where the fight is, the gloves, the weight, everything!

Who exactly is this person that measures up to all these qualities that you have stated.?

Just beware, whatever boxer you say, someone will pick holes because guess what..no one is perfect but with undefeated record that sometimes helps towards assessing the criteria.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

[Violent Demise]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

You haven't?

Leave it now and stick to the script like memphis/andre said.

Ok baby mod

Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

[imp]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

You haven't?

Leave it now and stick to the script like memphis/andre said.

Ok baby mod

Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

Im sure the fact that he had a belt, was offered a few million more and wasnt with top rank had nothing to do with it?

So your putting margarito up there now are we?

Margarito beats martinez earlier on in his career, beats cotto and he gets exposed for one of the worst crimes in boxing and has altered other boxers lives with deceit and you choose him out of everyone?...pleaase.

What has margarito actually achieved after the plaster being found out in the mosley fight...im waiting..

[Beanflicker]

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

Regardless of how you or anyone else feel about Baldomir as a fighter, he was the #1 of the WW division at the time after upsetting Zab. He was the champion. Margarito had the lightly-regarded WBO WW strap.

Did anyone believe Baldomir was going to beat Floyd? I doubt it. But he was, at that time, the #1 in the division and presented Floyd with more reward than a fight with Margarito would have.

And of course Margarito was dethrowned by Paul Williams shortly after, making a Marg/Floyd showdown irrelelvant