Duran : In My Era, Mayweather Would Have Been Ordinary

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Floyd's a very good defensive boxer, but he's not an All-Time Great.

He's certainly elite world-class, I don't think anybody's ever disputed that.
Fighters in the Top 3 rankings are the best-of-the-best.

The problem is he avoided too many of his fellow top prime fighters during the past 9 years since 2002.
Most of his peers fought each other in their primes except Floyd who constantly picked the right time when the opponent was too old, a bit past it, called up in weight, etc.

If you're really that good, why constantly and consistently stack the odds?
Floyd wants to decide the size of the ring, the size of the gloves, the brand of gloves for both him and his opponent, the venue so he can use xylocaine, the weight they'll fight at, he wants to be an athlete superceding the State Athletic Commission when it's their job to regulate boxing and it's not for any athlete to regulate a sport. He wants 70-30 splits. He wants his name to come first on billing, and his opponent to enter first so that he can make them wait on him in the ring. He wants to influence who'll be the ref.
If you're really that good, then why stack the odds to this excessive level? There is gamesmanship and posturing in boxing, but I've never heard of ANY fighter doing this to this extreme.

Those guys in the 80s fought each other during their primes, and they wanted to fight the other guy when the other guy was at his best; they didn't want him to have any excuses.

Yet again, a load of rubbish imho

All this talk on floyd avoiding and will never be an all time great..what are you talking about?!

He already is!

Oscar used to dictate the same stuff!

"The guys in the 80s, the guys in the 80s etc..Get over it!!

Its 2013 and the best fighters fight twice a year!

I hate the fact floyd, ward, froch fight twice a year and i wish they could fight 4-5 times a year but it seems to take that long in this day and age to build a fight like that and more money is involved.

If floyd fought 4 times a year knowing the way he trains and performs in the ring who in this era will beat him at 147?

If floyd, marquez or even manny were fighting in the 80s they would be fighying 15 rounds and fighting more often but whos to say if that would have a positive/negative effect on them.

Please bradlee, tell us all who in this era is perfect in your honest opinion and has fought every single fighter in their prime whilst taking a paycut and not having a day in where the fight is, the gloves, the weight, everything!

Who exactly is this person that measures up to all these qualities that you have stated.?

Just beware, whatever boxer you say, someone will pick holes because guess what..no one is perfect but with undefeated record that sometimes helps towards assessing the criteria.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

[Violent Demise]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

You haven't?

Leave it now and stick to the script like memphis/andre said.

Ok baby mod

Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

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The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

You haven't?

Leave it now and stick to the script like memphis/andre said.

Ok baby mod

Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

Im sure the fact that he had a belt, was offered a few million more and wasnt with top rank had nothing to do with it?

So your putting margarito up there now are we?

Margarito beats martinez earlier on in his career, beats cotto and he gets exposed for one of the worst crimes in boxing and has altered other boxers lives with deceit and you choose him out of everyone?...pleaase.

What has margarito actually achieved after the plaster being found out in the mosley fight...im waiting..

[Violent Demise]

The garbage that you are saying about Floyd is a disgrace to boxing, you are so blinded by hate you can't see a clear ATG.

You've yet to produce 1 single quote of mine to back up your claims. I've called Floyd a great like 80 times in this one thread alone. All I've said in this thread is that Floyd hasn't fought and won't fight someone like Duran.....reason being is that the ONLY fighter close to Duran in Floyd's era has been Floyd and he can't very well fight himself can he?

That "racist" enough for you?

Yes it is because you blow K2 while doing it, like I said you are a hypocrite now I don't know the reason for your hypocrisy but I've seen your political views which are right wing so I can guess.

You're one dumb bastard

You are one pathetic Nazi have you ever done the Nazi salute during a K2 fight? You win Floyd sucks there you happy?

You haven't?

Leave it now and stick to the script like memphis/andre said.

Ok baby mod

Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

Im sure the fact that he had a belt, was offered a few million more and wasnt with top rank had nothing to do with it?

So your putting margarito up there now are we?

Margarito beats martinez earlier on in his career, beats cotto and he gets exposed for one of the worst crimes in boxing and has altered other boxers lives with deceit and you choose him out of everyone?...pleaase.

What has margarito actually achieved after the plaster being found out in the mosley fight...im waiting..

Stop trying to change the subject. Cuz those incidents played no part during that time period. The bottom line is a simple one. Margarito is/was and always had been a better fighter than Carlos Baldomir. Find me someone who truly believes otherwise and you found yourself a true moron.

[El Kabong]

The key here is to not use revisionist history, before the Mosley fight nobody knew or even thought to ask if Margarito had loaded his gloves. He had just beaten Miguel Cotto who was undefeated and looking for a shot at Floyd just as much as anyone else at 147 in that time period.

Floyd IS a great fighter, but there are questions about why he chose to fight who he did when he did and at the weight class he did. And those questions are there for ANY fighter but more especially one that considerers themselves great.

Ricky Hatton after his debacle of a performance vs Collazo at 147 showed he couldn't handle the weight

JMM after extremely tough fights with Juan Diaz and Joel Casamayor at 135 and Floyd still decided to fight him at 142

Those make me question him...prudent moves, but they allow for "what if's" to be asked. What if he fights Hatton at 140? JMM at 142 is erroneous because Floyd couldn't make 135 again and if he did he'd either keel over and die from the weight loss or just massacre JMM.

[Violent Demise]

The key here is to not use revisionist history, before the Mosley fight nobody knew or even thought to ask if Margarito had loaded his gloves. He had just beaten Miguel Cotto who was undefeated and looking for a shot at Floyd just as much as anyone else at 147 in that time period.

Floyd IS a great fighter, but there are questions about why he chose to fight who he did when he did and at the weight class he did. And those questions are there for ANY fighter but more especially one that considerers themselves great.

Ricky Hatton after his debacle of a performance vs Collazo at 147 showed he couldn't handle the weight

JMM after extremely tough fights with Juan Diaz and Joel Casamayor at 135 and Floyd still decided to fight him at 142

Those make me question him...prudent moves, but they allow for "what if's" to be asked. What if he fights Hatton at 140? JMM at 142 is erroneous because Floyd couldn't make 135 again and if he did he'd either keel over and die from the weight loss or just massacre JMM.

I agree. Floyd is a great fighter. Never said otherwise. I actually like Floyd. Well I did before I found out he loves fags. But anyway him being great doesn't change the fact that he hasn't challenged himself the way he should of. It's not hating on him. It's simple criticism. Valid criticism. But some people are taking that to mean that he fucking sucks. Muthafukas are just to damn sensitive here

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The key here is to not use revisionist history, before the Mosley fight nobody knew or even thought to ask if Margarito had loaded his gloves. He had just beaten Miguel Cotto who was undefeated and looking for a shot at Floyd just as much as anyone else at 147 in that time period.

Floyd IS a great fighter, but there are questions about why he chose to fight who he did when he did and at the weight class he did. And those questions are there for ANY fighter but more especially one that considerers themselves great.

Ricky Hatton after his debacle of a performance vs Collazo at 147 showed he couldn't handle the weight

JMM after extremely tough fights with Juan Diaz and Joel Casamayor at 135 and Floyd still decided to fight him at 142

Those make me question him...prudent moves, but they allow for "what if's" to be asked. What if he fights Hatton at 140? JMM at 142 is erroneous because Floyd couldn't make 135 again and if he did he'd either keel over and die from the weight loss or just massacre JMM.

It never stops.

So why not tell us who fits this imaginary criteria then?

Violent demise seems to think margarito fits this bill so who else is not guilty of all the things and "what ifs" floyd has done?

Floyd seems to have just plodded along through the amateurs, and got lucky through the pros to get to this point through careful cherry picking and faced no challenges and cant carry durans jockstrap.

Floyd has flaws. We know this.
And we know you respect his skills. We all do.

But

What boxer is clear of any criticism?

[Beanflicker]

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

Regardless of how you or anyone else feel about Baldomir as a fighter, he was the #1 of the WW division at the time after upsetting Zab. He was the champion. Margarito had the lightly-regarded WBO WW strap.

Did anyone believe Baldomir was going to beat Floyd? I doubt it. But he was, at that time, the #1 in the division and presented Floyd with more reward than a fight with Margarito would have.

And of course Margarito was dethrowned by Paul Williams shortly after, making a Marg/Floyd showdown irrelelvant

[Violent Demise]

There is no need to make up lies. It wasn't De La Hoya he fought in place of Margarito. It was Carlos Baldomir. Big difference in threat level there.

Regardless of how you or anyone else feel about Baldomir as a fighter, he was the #1 of the WW division at the time after upsetting Zab. He was the champion. Margarito had the lightly-regarded WBO WW strap.

Did anyone believe Baldomir was going to beat Floyd? I doubt it. But he was, at that time, the #1 in the division and presented Floyd with more reward than a fight with Margarito would have.

And of course Margarito was dethrowned by Paul Williams shortly after, making a Marg/Floyd showdown irrelelvant

Margarito had been looking for him since 2006. The fight was there to be made. Him and Arum were still on speaking terms. He fights Zab Judah instead. The same Zab Judah who had just lost to Carlos Baldomir. How the fuck can anybody defend that selection?

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Yeah, to me it's all "golden age"-biased nonsense. It drives me nuts when guys come on here and accuse Floyd of ducking and dodging everyone. According to these people, Floyd never fought a real fighter in his life. Everyone was either overrated, passed their prime, too small, too big, too slow, ect ect. "If only they never got fucked by the ref", "If only he had thrown more punches", yadda yadda. There's always some excuse.

If you think Floyd has ducked and dodged opponents, name them and tell us when they should have fought? Are there people out there who SERIOUSLY believe Floyd should have fought Margarito instead of De La Hoya? And do you SERIOUSLY believe that any other champion, past or present, wouldn't have done the same?

So true.

Floyd has flaws. Of course he does.

Floyd doesnt throw as much combinations as i would like to see like he did in the "good old days" or when he fought ortiz.

Floyd has a tendancy to play it so safe in some of the late rounds (when he knows hes winning) he possibly could engage more but doesnt and does keep his distance for longer than is necessary.

But you know what, hes the boxer and hes the one winning whether he wants to engage or not, that isnt his style.

Floyd probably gets away with using his elbow alot more than he should but that seems to part of his defence and the refs do warn him but i suppose not enough in some peoples minds.

I just want to know who is this ideal boxer today that ticks all the boxes that floydhasnt done.

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Come on vd,

Enlighten us.

Or are you browsing around other websites for an answer?
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With or without the plaster.

[bradlee180]

Its 2013 and the best fighters fight twice a year!

Yet somehow you think fighting twice a year produces a better, more skillful fighter than someone who fights 5 fights per year. A fighter gets good by fighting a lot, son...

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Its 2013 and the best fighters fight twice a year!

Yet somehow you think fighting twice a year produces a better, more skillful fighter than someone who fights 5 fights per year. A fighter gets good by fighting a lot, son...

Read my whole post twinkle,

Dont cherry pick

You going to answer my question yet?