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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    1: Chavez: Greatest Mexican we have seen in this sport.

    2: Whitaker: Brilliant but uninspiring in his time, but now get his kudos.

    3: Mayweather Jr: An exceptional talent.

    4: Hopkins: Now arguably the best 'old' fighter ever.

    5: De La Hoya: Had a lot to live up too, and succeed.

    6: Pacquiao: I did not think any Filipino would top Villa, I was wrong!

    7: Mosley: An awesome phenomenon, who also had substance.

    8: Trinidad: A fighter who has gone out of fashion, which was a shame as he was fun and talented.

    9: Tszyu: Along with Arbachakov, was the first to show that the old 'Soviet' amateur system could in the new era produce brilliance at pro level.
    I will go with most of what you said here :-)

    Chavez - I have to go with Sanchez over Chavez... but he is among the top Mexican fighters we have ever seen.

    Whitaker, I didn't think was uninspiring at the time, but he was a classic boxer in the 'boxer versus puncher' sense of the term.

    There was a bit of questioning earlier about why everyone put Tszyu on the bottom of the list... I guess I'm curious your reasoning. For me, it was longevity for the most part - he was seen as darned near unbeatable and that made it even more incredible the manner in which he lost to Hatton.

    Anyway, good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justaguy View Post
    There was a bit of questioning earlier about why everyone put Tszyu on the bottom of the list... I guess I'm curious your reasoning. For me, it was longevity for the most part - he was seen as darned near unbeatable and that made it even more incredible the manner in which he lost to Hatton.
    But he was not considered unbeatable...

    Go back through the history of this forum, and he was panned. And not to toot the horn of the non Australian person who fought his corner, notable when it was said Mitchell was going to beat him; toot, toot; Tszyu does not quite live with the rest listed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by justaguy View Post
    There was a bit of questioning earlier about why everyone put Tszyu on the bottom of the list... I guess I'm curious your reasoning. For me, it was longevity for the most part - he was seen as darned near unbeatable and that made it even more incredible the manner in which he lost to Hatton.
    But he was not considered unbeatable...

    Go back through the history of this forum, and he was panned. And not to toot the horn of the non Australian person who fought his corner, notable when it was said Mitchell was going to beat him; toot, toot; Tszyu does not quite live with the rest listed here.
    I recall him being considered a darned good fighter... perhaps unbeatable is a stretch, but he was the real guy for a while and I don't remember anyone being considered a serious threat after Zab. In the US, I don't remember people really taking Hatton that seriously before he won the Kostya fight... and most of the talk was about what Kostya was rather than what Hatton wasn't when I talked to people during the build to that fight.

    I obviously agree with you on him not really being in the class of these guys, as I listed him last as well :-) Just curious what your thoughts were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    1: Chavez: Greatest Mexican we have seen in this sport.

    2: Whitaker: Brilliant but uninspiring in his time, but now get his kudos.

    3: Mayweather Jr: An exceptional talent.

    4: Hopkins: Now arguably the best 'old' fighter ever.

    5: De La Hoya: Had a lot to live up too, and succeed.

    6: Pacquiao: I did not think any Filipino would top Villa, I was wrong!

    7: Mosley: An awesome phenomenon, who also had substance.

    8: Trinidad: A fighter who has gone out of fashion, which was a shame as he was fun and talented.

    9: Tszyu: Along with Arbachakov, was the first to show that the old 'Soviet' amateur system could in the new era produce brilliance at pro level.


    You didn't think Whitaker was inspiring That guy put on some of the best boxing lessons of alltime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Rice View Post
    You didn't think Whitaker was inspiring That guy put on some of the best boxing lessons of alltime.
    I knew he was brilliant, but he never floated my boat. Why bother sitting through a Whitaker mismatch when you had Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Holyfield and Bowe to watch?

    I liked to watch matches live back then, that meant staying up to five/six in the morning over here. So I always preferred things that were going to keep me awake!
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    Let's see if I got this right. I tore down Trinidad by providing true facts? It's like you're addicted to stupid. All this time here and you haven't learned anything. Why accuse someone of tearing down fighters when you don't even know what the fuck it means? Tearing down Trinidad's opposition would be me saying Reid was garbage and fucking sucked. That's an opinion. An inaccurate opinion. I never said that. I provided true facts about Reid's injury and the reasons why the fight happened. See the difference? I doubt you do. So I'll leave it at this. Reid was a good fighter. And it was a good win for Trinidad. That's it. But that's not enough for you, is it?. Of course not. It has to be played up to be a great win. And damn it. Reid was great too. And who cares about Reid's condition. Cuz as ridiculous an inaccurate as it is, Trinidad must be given credit for ruining Reid.


    I've never crowed about Trinidad's win over Reid, bozo. Get that through your thick skull. You're arguing with yourself, which by the way you're getting pretty good at. You wanna argue with yourself? Hold on... let me get a baseball bat so you can break your own wrist in five places. I'll watch in astounded amusement.
    You sucked Trinidad's dick plenty of times before over the Reid win. But no more now, right? Good. About fucking time you learn something.


    Great retort, Violet!

    You seem to have retreated to your gangsta ways.
    You know what they say.....

    You can take the boy out of the ghetto... but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy.
    Now run along. I hear Greenbeanz is waiting to kiss YOUR ass.

    It's great having you two clowns around to constantly entertain me.
    Stating facts is what gangsters do. Being insulted and having there feelings hurt by those facts is what sensitive little girls like you do. Apparently I ain't the only one going back to there old ways

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    Let's see if I got this right. I tore down Trinidad by providing true facts? It's like you're addicted to stupid. All this time here and you haven't learned anything. Why accuse someone of tearing down fighters when you don't even know what the fuck it means? Tearing down Trinidad's opposition would be me saying Reid was garbage and fucking sucked. That's an opinion. An inaccurate opinion. I never said that. I provided true facts about Reid's injury and the reasons why the fight happened. See the difference? I doubt you do. So I'll leave it at this. Reid was a good fighter. And it was a good win for Trinidad. That's it. But that's not enough for you, is it?. Of course not. It has to be played up to be a great win. And damn it. Reid was great too. And who cares about Reid's condition. Cuz as ridiculous an inaccurate as it is, Trinidad must be given credit for ruining Reid.


    I've never crowed about Trinidad's win over Reid, bozo. Get that through your thick skull. You're arguing with yourself, which by the way you're getting pretty good at. You wanna argue with yourself? Hold on... let me get a baseball bat so you can break your own wrist in five places. I'll watch in astounded amusement.
    You sucked Trinidad's dick plenty of times before over the Reid win. But no more now, right? Good. About fucking time you learn something.


    Great retort, Violet!

    You seem to have retreated to your gangsta ways.
    You know what they say.....

    You can take the boy out of the ghetto... but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy.
    Now run along. I hear Greenbeanz is waiting to kiss YOUR ass.

    It's great having you two clowns around to constantly entertain me.
    Stating facts is what gangsters do. Being insulted and having there feelings hurt by those facts is what sensitive little girls like you do. Apparently I ain't the only one going back to there old ways


    It's "their" own ways, you illiterate moron.

    Anyway, no.

    Gangsters kill people.
    Wannabe gangstas sit behind a keyboard and write tough macho shit they can't back up in real life.

    Anyway... you and Finito continue to play pitcher and catcher with each other, starting trolling threads to stir up shit. Nobody pays much attention to you, much like an unruly, spoiled brat who needs to get backhanded once in awhile.

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    Let's see if I got this right. I tore down Trinidad by providing true facts? It's like you're addicted to stupid. All this time here and you haven't learned anything. Why accuse someone of tearing down fighters when you don't even know what the fuck it means? Tearing down Trinidad's opposition would be me saying Reid was garbage and fucking sucked. That's an opinion. An inaccurate opinion. I never said that. I provided true facts about Reid's injury and the reasons why the fight happened. See the difference? I doubt you do. So I'll leave it at this. Reid was a good fighter. And it was a good win for Trinidad. That's it. But that's not enough for you, is it?. Of course not. It has to be played up to be a great win. And damn it. Reid was great too. And who cares about Reid's condition. Cuz as ridiculous an inaccurate as it is, Trinidad must be given credit for ruining Reid.


    I've never crowed about Trinidad's win over Reid, bozo. Get that through your thick skull. You're arguing with yourself, which by the way you're getting pretty good at. You wanna argue with yourself? Hold on... let me get a baseball bat so you can break your own wrist in five places. I'll watch in astounded amusement.
    You sucked Trinidad's dick plenty of times before over the Reid win. But no more now, right? Good. About fucking time you learn something.


    Great retort, Violet!

    You seem to have retreated to your gangsta ways.
    You know what they say.....

    You can take the boy out of the ghetto... but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy.
    Now run along. I hear Greenbeanz is waiting to kiss YOUR ass.

    It's great having you two clowns around to constantly entertain me.
    Stating facts is what gangsters do. Being insulted and having there feelings hurt by those facts is what sensitive little girls like you do. Apparently I ain't the only one going back to there old ways


    It's "their" own ways, you illiterate moron.

    Anyway, no.

    Gangsters kill people.
    Wannabe gangstas sit behind a keyboard and write tough macho shit they can't back up in real life.

    Anyway... you and Finito continue to play pitcher and catcher with each other, starting trolling threads to stir up shit. Nobody pays much attention to you, much like an unruly, spoiled brat who needs to get backhanded once in awhile.
    Should we follow your example? Making threads like you make? Like "I think I understand now" in which you show how sensitive you really are by crying over being banned from a thread. Or maybe make one about trying to get GB banned after getting embarrassed by him yet again. Is that the way to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Rice View Post
    As far as legacy goes put rank these fighters in order.


    1. Tito Trinidad
    2. Mayweather
    3. Kosta tsu
    4. Mosley
    5. De LaHoya
    6. Whitaker
    7. Chavez
    8. Hopkins
    9. Pac
    10.
    Mayweather
    Hopkins
    Chavez
    Pac
    De la hoya
    Whitaker
    Trinidad
    Kosta
    Mosley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Good stuff. Hopkins takes a lot of flack, some warranted over the years and some just piling on. He don't care. I've had pains watching him but its a pleasure to watch a craftsman. I think of guys much younger than him still carrying on only in name and clinging to shadows and can't find fault at all with a guy actually still on the top and winning impressively.

    The whole Tito/Oscar thing is pretty obvious. Tito proved himself a guy who demolished a middleweight champion. He tore up Reid and Vargas and why linger at 154 in what was at the time a ghost town. Oscar got a gift against a middleweight champ and looked terrible. I didn't like that match. Oscar/Hopkins was a bit of an in house business-promotion affair to me. Tito/Hopkins was a legit superfight, one where Hopkins wasn't given much of a shot. I never could understand that.
    Why thank you kind sir. People have short memories.Its not just what he did and how he did it but the age he did it all the way along in an era where most are done by 30. Shit he had his first big name fight at close to that. I never witnessed Moores career but I did Bernards and its just as significant with respect to legacy. Never cheered for the dude but that's here nor there.

    I agree on what should be obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
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    Let's see if I got this right. I tore down Trinidad by providing true facts? It's like you're addicted to stupid. All this time here and you haven't learned anything. Why accuse someone of tearing down fighters when you don't even know what the fuck it means? Tearing down Trinidad's opposition would be me saying Reid was garbage and fucking sucked. That's an opinion. An inaccurate opinion. I never said that. I provided true facts about Reid's injury and the reasons why the fight happened. See the difference? I doubt you do. So I'll leave it at this. Reid was a good fighter. And it was a good win for Trinidad. That's it. But that's not enough for you, is it?. Of course not. It has to be played up to be a great win. And damn it. Reid was great too. And who cares about Reid's condition. Cuz as ridiculous an inaccurate as it is, Trinidad must be given credit for ruining Reid.


    I've never crowed about Trinidad's win over Reid, bozo. Get that through your thick skull. You're arguing with yourself, which by the way you're getting pretty good at. You wanna argue with yourself? Hold on... let me get a baseball bat so you can break your own wrist in five places. I'll watch in astounded amusement.
    You sucked Trinidad's dick plenty of times before over the Reid win. But no more now, right? Good. About fucking time you learn something.


    Great retort, Violet!

    You seem to have retreated to your gangsta ways.
    You know what they say.....

    You can take the boy out of the ghetto... but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy.
    Now run along. I hear Greenbeanz is waiting to kiss YOUR ass.

    It's great having you two clowns around to constantly entertain me.
    Stating facts is what gangsters do. Being insulted and having there feelings hurt by those facts is what sensitive little girls like you do. Apparently I ain't the only one going back to there old ways


    It's "their" own ways, you illiterate moron.

    Anyway, no.

    Gangsters kill people.
    Wannabe gangstas sit behind a keyboard and write tough macho shit they can't back up in real life.

    Anyway... you and Finito continue to play pitcher and catcher with each other, starting trolling threads to stir up shit. Nobody pays much attention to you, much like an unruly, spoiled brat who needs to get backhanded once in awhile.
    Should we follow your example? Making threads like you make? Like "I think I understand now" in which you show how sensitive you really are by crying over being banned from a thread. Or maybe make one about trying to get GB banned after getting embarrassed by him yet again. Is that the way to go?


    Kudos. You managed to get through several complete sentences without making a 2nd grade spelling or grammatical error and showing everyone how you barely made it out of elementary school in your crack-ridden ghetto slum.

    Bravo.

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