Did Marquez take Steroids for the Last Pacquiao Fight?

[AdamGB]

A guy who has never lifted weights before lifts weights... noobs act amazed when his physique is different...

[ryanman]

A guy who has never lifted weights before lifts weights... noobs act amazed when his physique is different...

THIS.

Seriously, there is nothing that changed that couldn't be easily explained by natural changes/improvements, specifically LIFTING WEIGHTS. He didn't become a 220lb bodybuilder. He put on a few pounds of muscle (which on a small frame with low bodyfat makes a big difference) which is perfectly achievable in that time span with purely natural weight training.


*Note, I'm not categorically saying he didn't take anything, but that there is NO evidence that he did.

[imp]

A guy who has never lifted weights before lifts weights... noobs act amazed when his physique is different...

Lol.

So true.

Everyone that improves their physique is on roids.

[Beanflicker]

It's certainly possible, but if you believe in that criteria for finding guilt, why do you not suspect Pacquaio, who all of a sudden jumped 3 weight classes in 2 years comfortably?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

It's certainly possible, but if you believe in that criteria for finding guilt, why do you not suspect Pacquaio, who all of a sudden jumped 3 weight classes in 2 years comfortably?

It's by this logic that I suspect both of them.

[Beanflicker]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

[Kirkland Laing]

He's definitely taking stuff. He ignored all the calls to do random testing before the last Manny fight after he did some public workouts and there were a lot of people questioning whether he could look like that without PEDs. The he promised to do random testing with a proper testing organisation for all future fights and so did Heredia but they still haven't done so.

[Beanz]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

Where did you get 15lbs of muscle from ?

In the 3rd fight

Manny - 143
Juan - 142


In the 4th fight

Manny - 147
Juan -143

1 lb then for Marquez as opposed to 4 lb for Pacquiao

For the first fight at feather they were both 125lbs but that was 2004. That was 9 years ago so suddenly bulking up is a myth.

22 lbs for Manny
18 lbs for Juan

over 9 years.

Or is it the pound of muscle Marquez put on in a year between fight 3 and 4 ?

Sounds perfectly Normal. 15 lbs is not normal but then presumably that was just pulled out of the ether.

[jahmez]

LOL Of course he did. What would you think if a convicted pedo teacher changed his name and started working in schools again? Or you were a fireman and realize that the new guy at work was an arsonist who had been just been released from jail? And I know that "you can't compare a guy just selling juice to meatheads to that kind of shit" so what about a meth cook on parole caught inside a chemist at night after hours - "I just fell through the roof mate..." People are entitled to the opinions but come on its right in your fucking face. Now I know that those examples aren't water tight because as soon as somebody discovered who these cunts were they'd be out of the job and on the news - but that's exactly where the problem lies. So what if these pieces of shit have to make a living? In other professions and trades you'd lose your license following a conviction related to your field of expertise. Most professional associations here in Australia won't even except you if you've been convicted of any crime within a minimum 5 year period. What's worse you've got these fucking dickheads like Victor Conte not only openly working with athletes again but openly bragging that the anti-doping systems are a joke, giving these little cheeky interviews bragging about all their "past" exploits and how easy it would be to do it all over again - except that they never would because they've suddenly "changed". It's fucking ridiculous. South Park storyline type shit. Then you get these fucking idiots pushing lame philosophical arguments about how if something smells like shit, looks like shit and tastes like shit it might not necessarily be shit - just a placebo with all the properties of said shit conveniently placed there by coincidence for no apparent reason. I remember when Manny wouldn't take the tests every forum had twenty page threads that would descend into what came first: the chicken or the egg? Or some thesis on quantum fucking physics. I remember some guy brought up an example of a cop telling a driver to do a blood alcohol test and lo and behold mental midgets literally started quoting legislation and debating civil rights. And yeh bringing up a fighter's public image to defend them against any accusations is fucking dumb as well. Imagine if Floyd was the one who refused to be tested?

[ruthless rocco]

lol of course he did. What would you think if a convicted pedo teacher changed his name and started working in schools again? Or you were a fireman and realize that the new guy at work was an arsonist who had been just been released from jail? And i know that "you can't compare a guy just selling juice to meatheads to that kind of shit" so what about a meth cook on parole caught inside a chemist at night after hours - "i just fell through the roof mate..." people are entitled to the opinions but come on its right in your fucking face. Now i know that those examples aren't water tight because as soon as somebody discovered who these cunts were they'd be out of the job and on the news - but that's exactly where the problem lies. So what if these pieces of shit have to make a living? In other professions and trades you'd lose your license following a conviction related to your field of expertise. Most professional associations here in australia won't even except you if you've been convicted of any crime within a minimum 5 year period. What's worse you've got these fucking dickheads like victor conte not only openly working with athletes again but openly bragging that the anti-doping systems are a joke, giving these little cheeky interviews bragging about all their "past" exploits and how easy it would be to do it all over again - except that they never would because they've suddenly "changed". It's fucking ridiculous. South park storyline type shit. Then you get these fucking idiots pushing lame philosophical arguments about how if something smells like shit, looks like shit and tastes like shit it might not necessarily be shit - just a placebo with all the properties of said shit conveniently placed there by coincidence for no apparent reason. I remember when manny wouldn't take the tests every forum had twenty page threads that would descend into what came first: The chicken or the egg? Or some thesis on quantum fucking physics. I remember some guy brought up an example of a cop telling a driver to do a blood alcohol test and lo and behold mental midgets literally started quoting legislation and debating civil rights. And yeh bringing up a fighter's public image to defend them against any accusations is fucking dumb as well. Imagine if floyd was the one who refused to be tested?

this!

[ykdadamaja]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

Finally! Someone who knows something!!!

[Beanz]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

Finally! Someone who knows something!!!

No he doesn't. Marquez put on 1 lb of muscle. 1 not 15.

[Beanflicker]

No he doesn't. Marquez put on 1 lb of muscle. 1 not 15.

How do you know that he just put on 1lb of muscle?

And what I said still applies to putting on 1lb of muscle, ESPECIALLY when you're nearly 40 years old.