Did Marquez take Steroids for the Last Pacquiao Fight?

[Beanflicker]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

[Kirkland Laing]

He's definitely taking stuff. He ignored all the calls to do random testing before the last Manny fight after he did some public workouts and there were a lot of people questioning whether he could look like that without PEDs. The he promised to do random testing with a proper testing organisation for all future fights and so did Heredia but they still haven't done so.

[Beanz]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

Where did you get 15lbs of muscle from ?

In the 3rd fight

Manny - 143
Juan - 142


In the 4th fight

Manny - 147
Juan -143

1 lb then for Marquez as opposed to 4 lb for Pacquiao

For the first fight at feather they were both 125lbs but that was 2004. That was 9 years ago so suddenly bulking up is a myth.

22 lbs for Manny
18 lbs for Juan

over 9 years.

Or is it the pound of muscle Marquez put on in a year between fight 3 and 4 ?

Sounds perfectly Normal. 15 lbs is not normal but then presumably that was just pulled out of the ether.

[jahmez]

LOL Of course he did. What would you think if a convicted pedo teacher changed his name and started working in schools again? Or you were a fireman and realize that the new guy at work was an arsonist who had been just been released from jail? And I know that "you can't compare a guy just selling juice to meatheads to that kind of shit" so what about a meth cook on parole caught inside a chemist at night after hours - "I just fell through the roof mate..." People are entitled to the opinions but come on its right in your fucking face. Now I know that those examples aren't water tight because as soon as somebody discovered who these cunts were they'd be out of the job and on the news - but that's exactly where the problem lies. So what if these pieces of shit have to make a living? In other professions and trades you'd lose your license following a conviction related to your field of expertise. Most professional associations here in Australia won't even except you if you've been convicted of any crime within a minimum 5 year period. What's worse you've got these fucking dickheads like Victor Conte not only openly working with athletes again but openly bragging that the anti-doping systems are a joke, giving these little cheeky interviews bragging about all their "past" exploits and how easy it would be to do it all over again - except that they never would because they've suddenly "changed". It's fucking ridiculous. South Park storyline type shit. Then you get these fucking idiots pushing lame philosophical arguments about how if something smells like shit, looks like shit and tastes like shit it might not necessarily be shit - just a placebo with all the properties of said shit conveniently placed there by coincidence for no apparent reason. I remember when Manny wouldn't take the tests every forum had twenty page threads that would descend into what came first: the chicken or the egg? Or some thesis on quantum fucking physics. I remember some guy brought up an example of a cop telling a driver to do a blood alcohol test and lo and behold mental midgets literally started quoting legislation and debating civil rights. And yeh bringing up a fighter's public image to defend them against any accusations is fucking dumb as well. Imagine if Floyd was the one who refused to be tested?

[ruthless rocco]

lol of course he did. What would you think if a convicted pedo teacher changed his name and started working in schools again? Or you were a fireman and realize that the new guy at work was an arsonist who had been just been released from jail? And i know that "you can't compare a guy just selling juice to meatheads to that kind of shit" so what about a meth cook on parole caught inside a chemist at night after hours - "i just fell through the roof mate..." people are entitled to the opinions but come on its right in your fucking face. Now i know that those examples aren't water tight because as soon as somebody discovered who these cunts were they'd be out of the job and on the news - but that's exactly where the problem lies. So what if these pieces of shit have to make a living? In other professions and trades you'd lose your license following a conviction related to your field of expertise. Most professional associations here in australia won't even except you if you've been convicted of any crime within a minimum 5 year period. What's worse you've got these fucking dickheads like victor conte not only openly working with athletes again but openly bragging that the anti-doping systems are a joke, giving these little cheeky interviews bragging about all their "past" exploits and how easy it would be to do it all over again - except that they never would because they've suddenly "changed". It's fucking ridiculous. South park storyline type shit. Then you get these fucking idiots pushing lame philosophical arguments about how if something smells like shit, looks like shit and tastes like shit it might not necessarily be shit - just a placebo with all the properties of said shit conveniently placed there by coincidence for no apparent reason. I remember when manny wouldn't take the tests every forum had twenty page threads that would descend into what came first: The chicken or the egg? Or some thesis on quantum fucking physics. I remember some guy brought up an example of a cop telling a driver to do a blood alcohol test and lo and behold mental midgets literally started quoting legislation and debating civil rights. And yeh bringing up a fighter's public image to defend them against any accusations is fucking dumb as well. Imagine if floyd was the one who refused to be tested?

this!

[ykdadamaja]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

Finally! Someone who knows something!!!

[Beanz]

Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.

Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.

Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".

Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.

So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.

Finally! Someone who knows something!!!

No he doesn't. Marquez put on 1 lb of muscle. 1 not 15.

[Beanflicker]

No he doesn't. Marquez put on 1 lb of muscle. 1 not 15.

How do you know that he just put on 1lb of muscle?

And what I said still applies to putting on 1lb of muscle, ESPECIALLY when you're nearly 40 years old.

[Beanz]

No he doesn't. Marquez put on 1 lb of muscle. 1 not 15.

How do you know that he just put on 1lb of muscle?

And what I said still applies to putting on 1lb of muscle, ESPECIALLY when you're nearly 40 years old.

Where do you get 10,15,20lbs of muscle is the question?

[AdamGB]

God knows, usually when a fighter moves up a few weight classes the main thing that they do is to STOP HAVING TO LOSE SO MUCH WATER WEIGHT BEFORE THE WEIGH IN.

Gaining muscle is only a small part of it... why does everybody take a fighter's weigh in day weight as their walking around weight, or even their fighting weight?



I remember when my boxing club did a 24 hour charity boxing circuit, I was 12lbs lighter by the end of it, 48 hours later and I was only 1lb lighter, because I'd almost fully rehydrated.

So if I do it again, but this time for 12 hours and I only dry up by 6lbs, I'm heavier and I must have taken steroids, right?

[Beanflicker]

Where did I say JMM put on 15lbs of muscle? That was a hypothetical.

What I said applies to the gaining of ANY muscle, whether we're talking 0.5lbs or 50lbs.

It is incredibly hard to pack any muscle on your body when you are undergoing insane cardio day in, day out. That is a fact. It's not debatable.

It is also incredibly hard to do it when you are damn near 40 years old. Our testosterone levels start to drop in our early 30s, sometimes even mid to late 20s. An athlete being physically superior in his late 30's/early 40's than he was in his mid 20's/early 30's is something that was completely unheard of before PED's became commonplace.

So for JMM to put on that much muscle (I gaurentee you it was more than 1lb, but that's a moot point) is NOT NORMAL. It DEFIES SCIENCE. It's not a question of hard work. It's a question of science, and the limitation of the human body.

I'm not saying he's necessarily even taking illegal PED's.

Are you aware of testosterone replacement therapy? That's 100% legal.

[AdamGB]

Where did I say JMM put on 15lbs of muscle? That was a hypothetical.

What I said applies to the gaining of ANY muscle, whether we're talking 0.5lbs or 50lbs.

It is incredibly hard to pack any muscle on your body when you are undergoing insane cardio day in, day out. That is a fact. It's not debatable.

It is also incredibly hard to do it when you are damn near 40 years old. Our testosterone levels start to drop in our early 30s, sometimes even mid to late 20s. An athlete being physically superior in his late 30's/early 40's than he was in his mid 20's/early 30's is something that was completely unheard of before PED's became commonplace.

So for JMM to put on that much muscle (I gaurentee you it was more than 1lb, but that's a moot point) is NOT NORMAL. It DEFIES SCIENCE. It's not a question of hard work. It's a question of science, and the limitation of the human body.

I'm not saying he's necessarily even taking illegal PED's.

Are you aware of testosterone replacement therapy? That's 100% legal.

In the last 12 months I've gained 14lbs and my body fat is lower than it's been in a while.

I do a lot of hours of INTENSE cardio every week.

If it's possible for me to put on a stone, then why would it be nearly impossible for a 40 year elite athlete, surrounded by a team of nutritionists, chefs, coaches, soft tissue therapists etc to put on .5lb drug free?

As long as he isn't on a calorie defecit he can gain weight, in fact at 40 his basal metabolic rate is going to have slowed significantly, making weight gain easier, almost inevitable... I'm sure he doesn't struggle to get nutrient and calorie dense food personally cooked for him round the clock...

Perhaps the change is because JMM's idea of nutrition has changed from drinking his own piss?

Apparently Pac condradicting yourself and flip flopping several times as to why he won't do tests for Floyd (I'm scares of needles - he has tattoos, I don't want to lose a drop of blood near a fight - he did it for MAB, it will distupt my training - he claims he will do it for lesser fighters now?) isn't suspicious as fuck, but knocking somebody the fuck out who keeps walking on to your counter right is?

[IamInuit]

No he doesn't. Marquez put on 1 lb of muscle. 1 not 15.

How do you know that he just put on 1lb of muscle?

And what I said still applies to putting on 1lb of muscle, ESPECIALLY when you're nearly 40 years old.

He weighed a pound more at the weigh in. He's not shedding muscle to make weight. Shit he was 4 pounds under the limit.

[Beanflicker]

He weighed a pound more at the weigh in. He's not shedding muscle to make weight. Shit he was 4 pounds under the limit.

Yeah but that assumes he maintained the exact same musculature as before. He noticablely dropped some fat from his physique and obviously replaced the weight with muscle. I never said he put on 15-20lbs of muscle, but it was visibly more than 1lb.

To look at it in a "143 - 142 = 1lb" sense is oversimplifying it.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that putting on a few lbs of muscle alone makes me suspicious. I'm suspicious of any 40 year old who looks as good or better than he did when he was 30.

And again, I'm not even saying I think he's doing it in an illegal way. Testosterone replacement therapy is 100% legal as long as it is doctor perscribed and declared to the commision. And since it's a medical thing, it doesn't get released to the public. I think you guys would be shocked at how many guys are utilizing this.

And again, I want to clarify that in no way do I think that Marquez's win was caused by PEDs, if he indeed is taking them, and I'm equally as suspicious of Manny. Pacquaio got caught by a perfect KO punch and got put to sleep.

[IamInuit]

He weighed a pound more at the weigh in. He's not shedding muscle to make weight. Shit he was 4 pounds under the limit.

Yeah but that assumes he maintained the exact same musculature as before. He noticablely dropped some fat from his physique and obviously replaced the weight with muscle. I never said he put on 15-20lbs of muscle, but it was visibly more than 1lb.

To look at it in a "143 - 142 = 1lb" sense is oversimplifying it.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that putting on a few lbs of muscle alone makes me suspicious. I'm suspicious of any 40 year old who looks as good or better than he did when he was 30.

And again, I'm not even saying I think he's doing it in an illegal way. Testosterone replacement therapy is 100% legal as long as it is doctor perscribed and declared to the commision. And since it's a medical thing, it doesn't get released to the public. I think you guys would be shocked at how many guys are utilizing this.

And again, I want to clarify that in no way do I think that Marquez's win was caused by PEDs, if he indeed is taking them, and I'm equally as suspicious of Manny. Pacquaio got caught by a perfect KO punch and got put to sleep.

I hear ya and I'm not saying he's not. If he is they are designer and most likely synthesized from his own piss j/k. The Manniacs just cant come to grips with Manny looking like a sheet of plywood when it was only a matter of time that he would be perfectly timed by the second best counter puncher on the planet.