Where do you rank Pernell Whitaker on the all-time great list ?????

[p4pking]

Just because guys have been around forever doesn't mean they are any more objective or less prone to revisionist history, if anything the opposite is true imo. I think many people are always biased towards the fighters which turned them on to the sport. The younger members of this forum will probably grow old talking about how so and so would have never beat a prime Roy Jones or Pacquiao, no matter what they learn about the sport or who else is around in 30 years.

Fritzie Zivic probably wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round without being DQ'ed in a modern prizefight, just for instance.

There is truth in that but I cant help but be the sum of my parts. I try to be as objective as I can but also believe the reverse is true. Some believe boxing started in 1990 and anyone that came before that couldn't compete which is ridiculous and I wont go into that here. And the fact remains that some of these earlier guys were as good as people say they were.

It would be interesting to gather a top 15 Saddo atg list based on voting by the members in every weight class.

Hey for sure, and boxing is a lot different than most sports in that we'll never know. I don't consider you an offender here by any means either. I'm just of the opinion that many, if not most people who have watched any sport for years tend to be less objective about the modern landscape of it, when it should be the other way around. It's a nostalgia thing as much as anything else imo.

[IamInuit]

Just because guys have been around forever doesn't mean they are any more objective or less prone to revisionist history, if anything the opposite is true imo. I think many people are always biased towards the fighters which turned them on to the sport. The younger members of this forum will probably grow old talking about how so and so would have never beat a prime Roy Jones or Pacquiao, no matter what they learn about the sport or who else is around in 30 years.

Fritzie Zivic probably wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round without being DQ'ed in a modern prizefight, just for instance.

There is truth in that but I cant help but be the sum of my parts. I try to be as objective as I can but also believe the reverse is true. Some believe boxing started in 1990 and anyone that came before that couldn't compete which is ridiculous and I wont go into that here. And the fact remains that some of these earlier guys were as good as people say they were.

It would be interesting to gather a top 15 Saddo atg list based on voting by the members in every weight class.

Hey for sure, and boxing is a lot different than most sports in that we'll never know. I don't consider you an offender here by any means either. I'm just of the opinion that many, if not most people who have watched any sport for years tend to be less objective about the modern landscape of it, when it should be the other way around. It's a nostalgia thing as much as anything else imo.

No offence taken and true enough. We sit right alongside those who think Marquez landed a lucky punch.

[p4pking]

There's nothing lucky about that A side meth

[Britkid]

Great fighter, so good in fact, he sneaks into the top 20 of 'all time' IMO.

[Jerry Rice]

Great fighter, so good in fact, he sneaks into the top 20 of 'all time' IMO.

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