Where do you rank Pernell Whitaker on the all-time great list ?????

[Jerry Rice]

All time rankings below top 5 are too subjective so I'd rather not touch it but I would place him near Alexis Arguello.

You're joking right finito ?

[FinitoElDinamita]

All time rankings below top 5 are too subjective so I'd rather not touch it but I would place him near Alexis Arguello.

You're joking right finito ?

Dead serious bruh. Talent level and actual accomplishments are different and I believe Arguello did more in this sport. Let's take a look at their notable victories and let me know if I left out any names.. straight off my head..

Arguello:

- Ruben Olivares.... regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter until Chavez came along

- Royal Kobayashi

- Rafael Limon

- Bobby Chacon

- Ruben Castillo

- Jose Luis Ramirez

- Ray Mancini

Whitaker:

- Greg Haugen

- Jose Luis ramirez... 1-1 against him

- Azuma Nelson

- Jorge Paez

- Rafael Pineda

- Buddy Mcgirt


Based on Arguello's longevity and more victories over higher level oppositions, I place him about two notches above Whitaker.. Whitaker imo is an underachiver. He had the talent to accomplish so much more but his drug habit hindered him from reaching full potential..

I would put Barrera near these two guys as well.. in this order..

- Arguello

- Barrera

- Whitaker

[jehoshaphat]

All time rankings below top 5 are too subjective so I'd rather not touch it but I would place him near Alexis Arguello.

You're joking right finito ?

Dead serious bruh. Talent level and actual accomplishments are different and I believe Arguello did more in this sport. Let's take a look at their notable victories and let me know if I left out any names.. straight off my head..

Arguello:

- Ruben Olivares.... regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter until Chavez came along

- Royal Kobayashi

- Rafael Limon

- Bobby Chacon

- Ruben Castillo

- Jose Luis Ramirez

- Ray Mancini

Whitaker:

- Greg Haugen

- Jose Luis ramirez... 1-1 against him

- Azuma Nelson

- Jorge Paez

- Rafael Pineda

- Buddy Mcgirt


Based on Arguello's longevity and more victories over higher level oppositions, I place him about two notches above Whitaker.. Whitaker imo is an underachiver. He had the talent to accomplish so much more but his drug habit hindered him from reaching full potential..

I would put Barrera near these two guys as well.. in this order..

- Arguello

- Barrera

- Whitaker

Who/what all did Sweet Pea miss that makes you call him an underachiever? By the way, don't forget to add these to his accomplishments...1 on all p4p lists, 4 weight division champ, lightweight champ through junior middleweight champ in 4 years, beat 154 pound champion Vasquez(who had recently beaten and knocked down like 5 times the undefeated Winky Wright), he beat Buddy McGirt twice not once, he actually beat Ramirez twice(got robbed first time)and beat Chavez amongst other names like black mamba, Hurtado 2X, and Rivera. I'm sure we don't have to debate the Chavez Sr. decision debacle here. The DLH fight was close enough to not call a robbery although I had PW winning that fight at a point of his career where he was on his way out. Remember DLH wanted nothing with a rematch. Sweet Pea took out a page in USA today calling for the rematch and even went public offering to take short money. I don't see how you rate Arguello and Barerra with Sweet Pea. Neither of those guys were ever considered the best guy in boxing and you can't just count victories. Both of those guys were clearly beat several times in their primes...amongst those losses were stoppages. Remember 5'5" or 5'6" Whitaker and Barerra are like the same height yet could you really see Barerra winning a title(a legitimate one at that) at 154 or even 147 for that matter. Those guys aren't in the same league as Sweet Pea let alone place them ahead of him. Heck, the taller Arguello didn't even do that. Maybe this was a joke or you're just drinking and feeling riled up.

[Master]

All time rankings below top 5 are too subjective so I'd rather not touch it but I would place him near Alexis Arguello.

You're joking right finito ?

Dead serious bruh. Talent level and actual accomplishments are different and I believe Arguello did more in this sport. Let's take a look at their notable victories and let me know if I left out any names.. straight off my head..

Arguello:

- Ruben Olivares.... regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter until Chavez came along

- Royal Kobayashi

- Rafael Limon

- Bobby Chacon

- Ruben Castillo

- Jose Luis Ramirez

- Ray Mancini

Whitaker:

- Greg Haugen

- Jose Luis ramirez... 1-1 against him

- Azuma Nelson

- Jorge Paez

- Rafael Pineda

- Buddy Mcgirt


Based on Arguello's longevity and more victories over higher level oppositions, I place him about two notches above Whitaker.. Whitaker imo is an underachiver. He had the talent to accomplish so much more but his drug habit hindered him from reaching full potential..

I would put Barrera near these two guys as well.. in this order..

- Arguello

- Barrera

- Whitaker

Who/what all did Sweet Pea miss that makes you call him an underachiever? By the way, don't forget to add these to his accomplishments...1 on all p4p lists, 4 weight division champ, lightweight champ through junior middleweight champ in 4 years, beat 154 pound champion Vasquez(who had recently beaten and knocked down like 5 times the undefeated Winky Wright), he beat Buddy McGirt twice not once, he actually beat Ramirez twice(got robbed first time)and beat Chavez amongst other names like black mamba, Hurtado 2X, and Rivera. I'm sure we don't have to debate the Chavez Sr. decision debacle here. The DLH fight was close enough to not call a robbery although I had PW winning that fight at a point of his career where he was on his way out. Remember DLH wanted nothing with a rematch. Sweet Pea took out a page in USA today calling for the rematch and even went public offering to take short money. I don't see how you rate Arguello and Barerra with Sweet Pea. Neither of those guys were ever considered the best guy in boxing and you can't just count victories. Both of those guys were clearly beat several times in their primes...amongst those losses were stoppages. Remember 5'5" or 5'6" Whitaker and Barerra are like the same height yet could you really see Barerra winning a title(a legitimate one at that) at 154 or even 147 for that matter. Those guys aren't in the same league as Sweet Pea let alone place them ahead of him. Heck, the taller Arguello didn't even do that. Maybe this was a joke or you're just drinking and feeling riled up.

Poster is right beating the champ at 154lb cements his greatness.

[jon09]

All time rankings below top 5 are too subjective so I'd rather not touch it but I would place him near Alexis Arguello.

You're joking right finito ?

Dead serious bruh. Talent level and actual accomplishments are different and I believe Arguello did more in this sport. Let's take a look at their notable victories and let me know if I left out any names.. straight off my head..

Arguello:

- Ruben Olivares.... regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter until Chavez came along

- Royal Kobayashi

- Rafael Limon

- Bobby Chacon

- Ruben Castillo

- Jose Luis Ramirez

- Ray Mancini

Whitaker:

- Greg Haugen

- Jose Luis ramirez... 1-1 against him

- Azuma Nelson

- Jorge Paez

- Rafael Pineda

- Buddy Mcgirt


Based on Arguello's longevity and more victories over higher level oppositions, I place him about two notches above Whitaker.. Whitaker imo is an underachiver. He had the talent to accomplish so much more but his drug habit hindered him from reaching full potential..

I would put Barrera near these two guys as well.. in this order..

- Arguello

- Barrera

- Whitaker

Who/what all did Sweet Pea miss that makes you call him an underachiever? By the way, don't forget to add these to his accomplishments...1 on all p4p lists, 4 weight division champ, lightweight champ through junior middleweight champ in 4 years, beat 154 pound champion Vasquez(who had recently beaten and knocked down like 5 times the undefeated Winky Wright), he beat Buddy McGirt twice not once, he actually beat Ramirez twice(got robbed first time)and beat Chavez amongst other names like black mamba, Hurtado 2X, and Rivera. I'm sure we don't have to debate the Chavez Sr. decision debacle here. The DLH fight was close enough to not call a robbery although I had PW winning that fight at a point of his career where he was on his way out. Remember DLH wanted nothing with a rematch. Sweet Pea took out a page in USA today calling for the rematch and even went public offering to take short money. I don't see how you rate Arguello and Barerra with Sweet Pea. Neither of those guys were ever considered the best guy in boxing and you can't just count victories. Both of those guys were clearly beat several times in their primes...amongst those losses were stoppages. Remember 5'5" or 5'6" Whitaker and Barerra are like the same height yet could you really see Barerra winning a title(a legitimate one at that) at 154 or even 147 for that matter. Those guys aren't in the same league as Sweet Pea let alone place them ahead of him. Heck, the taller Arguello didn't even do that. Maybe this was a joke or you're just drinking and feeling riled up.

Poster is right beating the champ at 154lb cements his greatness.

I said the same thing in an earlier post. Vasquez is 1 of his most underrated wins but to me it really put a stamp on his achievements.

[Manju]

All time rankings below top 5 are too subjective so I'd rather not touch it but I would place him near Alexis Arguello.

You're joking right finito ?

Dead serious bruh. Talent level and actual accomplishments are different and I believe Arguello did more in this sport. Let's take a look at their notable victories and let me know if I left out any names.. straight off my head..

Arguello:

- Ruben Olivares.... regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter until Chavez came along

- Royal Kobayashi

- Rafael Limon

- Bobby Chacon

- Ruben Castillo

- Jose Luis Ramirez

- Ray Mancini

Whitaker:

- Greg Haugen

- Jose Luis ramirez... 1-1 against him

- Azuma Nelson

- Jorge Paez

- Rafael Pineda

- Buddy Mcgirt


Based on Arguello's longevity and more victories over higher level oppositions, I place him about two notches above Whitaker.. Whitaker imo is an underachiver. He had the talent to accomplish so much more but his drug habit hindered him from reaching full potential..

I would put Barrera near these two guys as well.. in this order..

- Arguello

- Barrera

- Whitaker

The flaw in this argument is that you're treating boxing's subjective and often corrupt scoring as the final judge. Pernell was 1-1 against Ramirez only because the judges where watching a different first fight. With the wisdom of time on our side, we should able to reward him a 2-0.

More importantly, you can add to that a 1-0 against Julia Cesar Chavez, who didn't want anything to do with him after being subjected to a clinic. Whitaker dismantled a fellow HOFer in his prime.

One may also consider that an aging Whitaker fought a prime ODLH to that point that a decision going his way would have been reasonable.

I don't see any reason to respect the scorecards when they don't reflect reality.