Where do you rank Pernell Whitaker on the all-time great list ?????

[Manju]

All time rankings below top 5 are too subjective so I'd rather not touch it but I would place him near Alexis Arguello.

You're joking right finito ?

Dead serious bruh. Talent level and actual accomplishments are different and I believe Arguello did more in this sport. Let's take a look at their notable victories and let me know if I left out any names.. straight off my head..

Arguello:

- Ruben Olivares.... regarded as the greatest Mexican fighter until Chavez came along

- Royal Kobayashi

- Rafael Limon

- Bobby Chacon

- Ruben Castillo

- Jose Luis Ramirez

- Ray Mancini

Whitaker:

- Greg Haugen

- Jose Luis ramirez... 1-1 against him

- Azuma Nelson

- Jorge Paez

- Rafael Pineda

- Buddy Mcgirt


Based on Arguello's longevity and more victories over higher level oppositions, I place him about two notches above Whitaker.. Whitaker imo is an underachiver. He had the talent to accomplish so much more but his drug habit hindered him from reaching full potential..

I would put Barrera near these two guys as well.. in this order..

- Arguello

- Barrera

- Whitaker

The flaw in this argument is that you're treating boxing's subjective and often corrupt scoring as the final judge. Pernell was 1-1 against Ramirez only because the judges where watching a different first fight. With the wisdom of time on our side, we should able to reward him a 2-0.

More importantly, you can add to that a 1-0 against Julia Cesar Chavez, who didn't want anything to do with him after being subjected to a clinic. Whitaker dismantled a fellow HOFer in his prime.

One may also consider that an aging Whitaker fought a prime ODLH to that point that a decision going his way would have been reasonable.

I don't see any reason to respect the scorecards when they don't reflect reality.