Did Marquez take Steroids for the Last Pacquiao Fight?

[IamInuit]

He weighed a pound more at the weigh in. He's not shedding muscle to make weight. Shit he was 4 pounds under the limit.

Yeah but that assumes he maintained the exact same musculature as before. He noticablely dropped some fat from his physique and obviously replaced the weight with muscle. I never said he put on 15-20lbs of muscle, but it was visibly more than 1lb.

To look at it in a "143 - 142 = 1lb" sense is oversimplifying it.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that putting on a few lbs of muscle alone makes me suspicious. I'm suspicious of any 40 year old who looks as good or better than he did when he was 30.

And again, I'm not even saying I think he's doing it in an illegal way. Testosterone replacement therapy is 100% legal as long as it is doctor perscribed and declared to the commision. And since it's a medical thing, it doesn't get released to the public. I think you guys would be shocked at how many guys are utilizing this.

And again, I want to clarify that in no way do I think that Marquez's win was caused by PEDs, if he indeed is taking them, and I'm equally as suspicious of Manny. Pacquaio got caught by a perfect KO punch and got put to sleep.

I hear ya and I'm not saying he's not. If he is they are designer and most likely synthesized from his own piss j/k. The Manniacs just cant come to grips with Manny looking like a sheet of plywood when it was only a matter of time that he would be perfectly timed by the second best counter puncher on the planet.

[Kirkland Laing]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with Ángel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

[IamInuit]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

[jahmez]

The whole "if he was going to do it, then why would he make it that obvious?" defense has and always will be lame. Add to the fact that PED guru changed his name and its pretty fucking funny really.

[Kirkland Laing]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

[Julius Rain]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

[Violent Demise]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

There is no asterisk next to his legacy. Well maybe to some Pac groupies there is. But nobody give a fuck about that shot fan base There more than half way to extinction as it is. Ever since Marquez told Pacquiao it's nap time you don't even see them around any more.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

There is no asterisk next to his legacy. Well maybe to some Pac groupies there is. But nobody give a fuck about that shot fan base There more than half way to extinction as it is. Ever since Marquez told Pacquiao it's nap time you don't even see them around any more.

Yes they also tried to resurrect Pac through Nonito bragging on how he takes tests. . They are soooo pathetic because Nonito works with Conte the PED king. Ariza has even said that with the regimen provided and 100% commitment the results were warranted even before being fired.

[AdamGB]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Literally anybody can call themselves a nutritionist, it doesn't mean that they are a good one.

Would a real nutritionist have him drinking his own piss?

The fact that he had 'a' nutritionist for one fight doesn't mean that having 'a' good nutritionist the next time won't make a difference

[jahmez]

Why do you take yourself so seriously AdamGB he's just fucking with you that's all

[AdamGB]

Why do you take yourself so seriously AdamGB he's just fucking with you that's all

I don't like being fucked with by moronic pactards?
Seems a no brainer.

[Kirkland Laing]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Literally anybody can call themselves a nutritionist, it doesn't mean that they are a good one.

Would a real nutritionist have him drinking his own piss?

The fact that he had 'a' nutritionist for one fight doesn't mean that having 'a' good nutritionist the next time won't make a difference

Yes, as one of the world's top few fighters preparing for the biggest fight of his career he probably just employed some fucker that was hanging round the gym to be his strength and conditioning coach.

[IamInuit]

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Lol look he and many other pharmacists claim to be nutritionists in this business. Conversely there are probably nutritionists that have knowledge of pharmacy. Point is the guy had access to anyone and all you guys have is guilt by association and the fact that he gained a pound and muscled up. That is not evidence of fact. You find that kind of thing on the front of all those magazines at the checkout aisles right next to the cover photo of the clam with legs. Its much more likely that Marquez's experience was responsible as evident by that perfect punch then chemistry. He weighed a pound more then what he weighed for Floyd and changed that flab into tone.Its happening daily at the local gym with people who most likely don't take it as serious as him.

[AdamGB]

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Lol look he and many other pharmacists claim to be nutritionists in this business. Conversely there are probably nutritionists that have knowledge of pharmacy. Point is the guy had access to anyone and all you guys have is guilt by association and the fact that he gained a pound and muscled up. That is not evidence of fact. You find that kind of thing on the front of all those magazines at the checkout aisles right next to the cover photo of the clam with legs. Its much more likely that Marquez's experience was responsible as evident by that perfect punch then chemistry. He weighed a pound more then what he weighed for Floyd and changed that flab into tone.Its happening daily at the local gym with people who most likely don't take it as serious as him.

My point exactly...

[Kirkland Laing]

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Lol look he and many other pharmacists claim to be nutritionists in this business. Conversely there are probably nutritionists that have knowledge of pharmacy. Point is the guy had access to anyone and all you guys have is guilt by association and the fact that he gained a pound and muscled up. That is not evidence of fact. You find that kind of thing on the front of all those magazines at the checkout aisles right next to the cover photo of the clam with legs. Its much more likely that Marquez's experience was responsible as evident by that perfect punch then chemistry. He weighed a pound more then what he weighed for Floyd and changed that flab into tone.Its happening daily at the local gym with people who most likely don't take it as serious as him.

Name one qualified pharamacist who claims to be a strngth and conditioning coach other than Heredia.