Deonty wilder and other american hw's

[Rantcatrat]

I don't really know how anyone could say that Wilder kills Ruiz when Ruiz has been matched tougher than Wilder has.

At the end of the day, a resume is only a paper trail. It's two men going into the ring. You don't win a fight by having the best resume.

And it's not like we're talking about a huge difference in resumes. They've both been feeding off bums for the most part. All Ruiz has is one win over an undefeated prospect.

That's fair, but Ruiz is incredibly unheralded compared with Wilder. If Wilder is as good as they say he is, why haven't they challenged him more? Now, this might be a case of too much hype, too soon. He didn't have a big amateur career etc. That's fine. I guess this is the perfect example of backlash to hype. It's like when Broner's hype train slowed way down after his fight with Paulie Malignaggi. If they weren't making him out to be the next Floyd Mayweather, we would think he was a developing fighter on his way, but making him out to be the next great thing, sort of soured people's view on him once he had some difficulty from a passed his prime, light-punching fighter.

[ykdadamaja]

The comment George Foreman made about Ruiz Being better has small merit even on paper. Both have faught your "bum of the month" BUT Deonty has beaten Liakovich (yes he was on the down) and Audely Harrison.(yes he has a glass jaw) But I do not recognize a single name on Ruiz's list of opponent. Do not get me wrong, I am happy to see both and both seem decent. But Deonty is bringing more excitement with his perfect Record and all by KO. Look at Tysons list at the 30 fight time and you will see that he too faught bums. This is to be expected. Time will tell but Deonty's record and achievments so far are just a little better. He also has an Olyimpic medal! He must, however, now fight only contenders. If he does and KO's a big name or some big names in the same fashion he has been, we have to then be even more excited. he better not fight the Klitchkos yet. It is a no win situation and In hope his handlers recognize this. Deonty is so young and seems to be a big part of the future. If he wins, then he beat a fading champion(s). If he looses, it would be a big setback just like so many others such as Arreola. It is not a bad move and he should not be critized if he did not fight them. I hope he does not get his ego get in front of regular thinking. I am not saying he would not beat either. I actually think he would but it is not a smart move at this time. Let the Klitchkos retire and maybe Deonty could fight Ruiz at one point. We need a change.

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I think ol'e boy George has gone daft!!

[ykdadamaja]

People forget that Wilder destroyed an undefeated prospect in the name of Kelvin Price... so he has fought a prospect, he demolished him. No doubt Wilder smashes both Hanks and Ruiz. A good prospect for Wilder would be a Bryant Jennings- but I don't wanna see that fight just yet, because I like them both.

[boyla]

Got to love the viral marketing

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[armin]

People forget that Wilder destroyed an undefeated prospect in the name of Kelvin Price... so he has fought a prospect, he demolished him. No doubt Wilder smashes both Hanks and Ruiz. A good prospect for Wilder would be a Bryant Jennings- but I don't wanna see that fight just yet, because I like them both.

Uhm yeah I've never seen this kelvin price fight but dam he musta been a beast cause he was a prospect at 38...shit if that's the gem in wilders record you're really reaching!!!

[Beanflicker]

That's fair, but Ruiz is incredibly unheralded compared with Wilder. If Wilder is as good as they say he is, why haven't they challenged him more?

That's true, but people heralded David Tua a lot more than, let's say, Chris Byrd, who was a much better fighter. He was a knockout artist. Or look at Valero, who people wanted to see against Pac, even though 99% of his resume was against guys who should be flipping burgers. It's easy to get excited about someone who goes out there and destroys people.
Andy Ruiz is a fat boy with 14 ko's in 20 fights. Deontay is a giant who looks like he's carved out of marble and has 28 straight KO's and I don't think he's seen the 6th round in any of them. It's obvious which one people will be more excited about.

But I agree 100% that he should be facing better opposition by now. I think stepping up to Audley Harrison is a decent step up from the stiffs he was fighting, but my problem is he should have stepped up to an Audley Harrison 8 or 9 fights ago, or maybe more.

If he doesn't take on a serious threat in his next fight, he deserves to get shit on.

[Fenster]

Andy Ruiz is a fat boy with 14 ko's in 20 fights. Deontay is a giant who looks like he's carved out of marble

That's what I was thinking. Imagine standing them next to each other and asking people to pick who the better prospect is. They'd think you were having a laugh.

[Beanflicker]

For sure. He looks like a fat baby. He doesn't even look like an athlete. No disrespect to him because looks are deceiving and he for sure can fight, but damn.

[vpasqual123]

deonty wilder and other american hw's

what other american heavyweights?

The only other decent one folded against an average brit.

my point corrected. There are no other decent american he's i only see wilder and ruiz.

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[vpasqual123]

for sure. He looks like a fat baby. He doesn't even look like an athlete. No disrespect to him because looks are deceiving and he for sure can fight, but damn.

deonty is not who you are referring too i hope. He is slim and chisled. Tall and lanky for a hw. 6'7" 224 lbs. Speaking as a former trainer and fighter, i can say this:

"most tall and lanky fighter have or should have very decent power and prime examples are dick tiger and thomas hearns amongst others"

actually, because he is not 250-260+ is one reason some people are counting him out already. Stupid, because he is at a prime weight for boxing given his height.

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[Beanflicker]

No I was talking about Andy Ruiz.

Not winning any Mr Olympia titles any time soon

[Spicoli]

But it's not a beauty contest. He has physical assets but you could line up power hitters knocking over window washers and guys sculpted like Lee Haney who imploded and fill a few dump trucks. I think Foreman may have been coming at it from seeing Ruiz having just a little more substance over Wilders piled on packaging and push. That and being closer to a Ruiz physique in comeback and also laughed at, or seeing as how Deontay is a Olympic medalist like himself?! I think fans have learned to look beyond the window displays pumped up today and look for proof.

[vpasqual123]

Having said all this:

Who do we all think is the better prospect? I think deonty runs away with it and i am quite shocked to see ruiz's name even mentioned with deonty's. would never had thought of him if foreman had not made his comments.

shocked!!!

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[Beanflicker]

Deontay for sure. To me, he's doing the right things like training with the Klitschko's and learning about distance. If a guy with his reach and power learns how to utilize reach and distance, he's going to be a motherfucker to fight.

Andy Ruiz to be honest strikes me as a poor man's Chris Arreola so far. Big fat guy, relatively short reach for a heavyweight.

Honestly, people can talk shit all they want about Deontay's opposition, but you had to pick a guy to potentially carry the HW division post Klitschko era, would you really pick Ruiz over Deontay? Come on...

[vpasqual123]

deontay for sure. To me, he's doing the right things like training with the klitschko's and learning about distance. If a guy with his reach and power learns how to utilize reach and distance, he's going to be a motherfucker to fight.

Andy ruiz to be honest strikes me as a poor man's chris arreola so far. Big fat guy, relatively short reach for a heavyweight.

Honestly, people can talk shit all they want about deontay's opposition, but you had to pick a guy to potentially carry the hw division post klitschko era, would you really pick ruiz over deontay? Come on...

finally a knowledgable boxing person!!!! This ruiz deonty thing has been driving me crazy. All and i mean all contacts i have with anyone who even knows boxing a bit can not believe foremans comments.

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