Warren V Hearn - The Rematch

[ross]

Eddie Hearn hasnt built up a stable from scratch, he has bought existing talent.

Frank inows how to build a fighter. I dont think Eddie will finish Frank Warren. His dad had less and less to do with boxing as the years went on because it needed a big investment to build a star. Eddie has been given a wad of money to fuck around with by his dad basically.

He is putting good fights on BUT one of the reasons Frank and his fighter get so much shit is that they have shows where the quality of the opponents arent great. Basically cheap labour, so they can sell tickets and earn. If Eddie keeps making big fights and his fighters were to lose badly or even just retire, he wont get much return for his investment.

You have to remember boxing is a business and for the promoters to be ale to fund big shows they need to build capital with a few mediocre shows.

Im not a fan of Warren the man but he does get a lot of unwarranted shit when you look at what it takes to keep going in his line of work and how many promoters have come and gone, lose money etc and that he is still around and one of the top operators is testiment that he has been doing something right.

[Fenster]

Eddie Hearn hasnt built up a stable from scratch, he has bought existing talent.

Frank inows how to build a fighter. I dont think Eddie will finish Frank Warren. His dad had less and less to do with boxing as the years went on because it needed a big investment to build a star. Eddie has been given a wad of money to fuck around with by his dad basically.

He is putting good fights on BUT one of the reasons Frank and his fighter get so much shit is that they have shows where the quality of the opponents arent great. Basically cheap labour, so they can sell tickets and earn. If Eddie keeps making big fights and his fighters were to lose badly or even just retire, he wont get much return for his investment.

You have to remember boxing is a business and for the promoters to be ale to fund big shows they need to build capital with a few mediocre shows.

Im not a fan of Warren the man but he does get a lot of unwarranted shit when you look at what it takes to keep going in his line of work and how many promoters have come and gone, lose money etc and that he is still around and one of the top operators is testiment that he has been doing something right.

You mean did. They can't get away with pulling the wool over punters eyes like they used too.

Whether or not Barry's interest and investment dipped at one point, currently Eddie/Matchroom is wiping the floor with Frank. It's a mismatch.

[Kirkland Laing]

Right now Warren is a domestic promoter, he's got zero world champions. He's in a position where he'd have to invest more money to take Cleverly back to world level and Cleverly wasn't a ticket seller when he was a world champ.

The only thing preventing him being completely fucked is Box Nation. That looks to be doing OK. The guy who owns Rainham Steel just made a big investment and they're going to start an HD channel. Hopefully it keeps going but I notice they don't have the Mares fight this weekend. I want to see Warren survive just so his channel survives.

[Silkeyjoe]

My problem with Matchroom is they usually match their fighters up against bums particularly his "stars" and the only time he steps up is for a world title shot, and majority of this time he does so in opponenets back yard.

Im not too sure on how many world champs they have but the ones I know off I doubt they will hang onto the title that long. I think the only world champs he has are Froch, Burns and Barker. Burns and Barker are very beatable and if they are to take on a class opponent they will lose. If Froch beats Groves and has a Ward rematch Id say his titles are gone too.

Of his upcoming stars - Brook, Bellew, Quigg, Selby, Mitchell, Rose, Groves he has some potential but will any be as big as Froch. I doubt it. A few could win world titles but I dont believe they will dominate the division.

[ross]

My problem with Matchroom is they usually match their fighters up against bums particularly his "stars" and the only time he steps up is for a world title shot, and majority of this time he does so in opponenets back yard.

Im not too sure on how many world champs they have but the ones I know off I doubt they will hang onto the title that long. I think the only world champs he has are Froch, Burns and Barker. Burns and Barker are very beatable and if they are to take on a class opponent they will lose. If Froch beats Groves and has a Ward rematch Id say his titles are gone too.

Of his upcoming stars - Brook, Bellew, Quigg, Selby, Mitchell, Rose, Groves he has some potential but will any be as big as Froch. I doubt it. A few could win world titles but I dont believe they will dominate the division.

A promoters success wont be how good of a fighter he can make but how mch of a draw he can make them and good even match making. Making good shows that are exciting. The paying spectators couldnt give 2 fucks if they are watching the best fighter in world. All they want is to be entertained by watching exciting "fights".

Look at Ward, hes regarded as the best in the division but is not making anyone any money ever! I dont know who his promoter is but dont you think theyd prefer to have Froch or Kessler?

[nuggetdotcom]

I speak as I find, attending shows rather than watching TV deals.

Warren shows are consistenly aweful in terms of facilities for fans, massive gaps in the schedule, nobody knows whats going on, thoese interested in the undercard are really short changed and you have to feel sorry for all the fans who have come to watch Warrens latest signing (or oponent), really badly organised and not worth the ticket money for a real fan.

Hennessey shows are brilliant by comparison, good facilities, good seating arrangements, all the creature comforts that you would expect.

Ditto for Hearn, and still improving.

Warren TV may be good, I wont buy it because he has shafted so many live event fans, you lot all seem to watch it so maybe that is the way forward? Respect is due to promoters who promote 'real' live events with atmosphere and excitement, Warren is not one of them.