James Degale- Not aggressive enough!

[Dark Lord Al]

DeGay isn't aggressive enough also he isn't good enough.

[Fenster]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

[erics44]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

[Vendettos]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

Just like the illusion that is your boxing knowledge.

[erics44]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

Just like the illusion that is your boxing knowledge.

ha jesus

is that the end of our debate then?

[Vendettos]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

Just like the illusion that is your boxing knowledge.

ha jesus

is that the end of our debate then?

Sorry mate, let me clear this up.

I am a fairly open minded guy, I take people's opinions and points and if they're right and I am wrong, then I take it on the chin and I am happy that I've learned something in the argument.

Or if the person is wrong and disagrees with me but still accepts my points to an extent while sticking by their own, I respect that even if I disagree with them.

But then there are people so blatantly wrong and unwilling to listen to anything but the voices of the unjustly large egos they've created inside their unfathomably small heads. These people get swiftly dropped from the appointments they had with my patience.

You fit somewhere between scenario 2-3.



I will add that this is not intended as an insult, it's just honesty.

[erics44]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

Just like the illusion that is your boxing knowledge.

ha jesus

is that the end of our debate then?

Sorry mate, let me clear this up.

I am a fairly open minded guy, I take people's opinions and points and if they're right and I am wrong, then I take it on the chin and I am happy that I've learned something in the argument.

Or if the person is wrong and disagrees with me but still accepts my points to an extent while sticking by their own, I respect that even if I disagree with them.

But then there are people so blatantly wrong and unwilling to listen to anything but the voices of the unjustly large egos they've created inside their unfathomably small heads. These people get swiftly dropped from the appointments they had with my patience.

You fit somewhere between scenario 2-3.



I will add that this is not intended as an insult, it's just honesty.

honestly pal, I would say that currently you are closer to number 3

I am willing to hear your point and perhaps consider you dropping somewhere nearer to number 2, but so far you have said nothing to back anything up you have said

all you have said is groves has fought better fighters than degale, I don't agree, I believe their opposition has been very similar and if anything degales has been slightly tougher

I think the only reason groves is above degale in the rankings is because of their fight (which is understandable)

[Fenster]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

Maybe.

I personally think Groves has looked much more solid over the last year or so. A year ago I thought he had zero chance against Froch, now I think it could be a good fight.

[Dark Lord Al]

He needs to sort out his promoter shit and then try and get some momentum. 17 fights in four and half years. Headlining Kent shopping centres.

I think Groves has improved way past him. If they fought now I'd bet on Groves to KO him.

its a marketing illusion

Maybe.

I personally think Groves has looked much more solid over the last year or so. A year ago I thought he had zero chance against Froch, now I think it could be a good fight.

I just think Groves is a far better fighter than DeGay ,
DeGay still throws the over hand shot like he is swinging an axe , he is one paced and average for my money.

[Master]

I have warmed to De Gale since he has been on channel 5. he only just lost to Groves and the fight could have gone either way. I think both have progressed well for the limited fights they have had and there is no way De Gale will get a fight with Froch as he is with another promoter. He has been interviewed in boxing news this week and his best bet would be Biko.

[ykdadamaja]

I have warmed to De Gale since he has been on channel 5. he only just lost to Groves and the fight could have gone either way. I think both have progressed well for the limited fights they have had and there is no way De Gale will get a fight with Froch as he is with another promoter. He has been interviewed in boxing news this week and his best bet would be Biko.

You mean with Sakio Bika? I can like that fight for him. It's a BIG step up. But Bika is beatable, he punches hard, but very beatable.

Bika's last outing vs. Perriban showed me that after all of these years, Bika's skill level is going to be what it is- like a Ricardo Mayorga. Very awkward and very wild.

If Degale boxes and moves then this can be a very easy UD for a belt for him.

[ykdadamaja]

Groves fighting for a world title encapsulates my overall point on Degale- he isn't aggressive enough. And fighters who are not aggressive, you have to question their heart and skill level and their confidence in their skill level.

Groves FEELS confident enough and has a better mean spirit (for lack of a better term) than Degale. That's the main difference between those two.

Degale not just needs to step it up in terms of fighters he's facing, but he needs to become more aggressive in the ring. If he ain't come to kill nobody in the ring, don't bother stepping into it.

In the Groves fight, Degale was supposed to be all over Groves. He let Groves off of the hook, being soft, taking breaks in rounds and slacking off- he lost on points as a result of that.

It's clear Degale has the chin, he also has the skill- whether he becomes a world champion or not depends on not just his heart, but how quickly he can bring the heat straight down the middle of the pike.

Groves apparently is ready to bring that heat- regardless of the skills or tools Groves has. You have to respect that about him over Degale.

Compare Froch to both of them... do you see Froch slacking around in the ring, being soft, backing off and letting guys off the hook when he has them? Even in fights he was losing on points- to Taylor and to Ward, Froch NEVER stepped back and gave up because he BELIEVED he should 1. not only be in there, but 2. that he had a chance to win that fight, and FIGHT because that's what he was/is being paid to do- regardless of how the fight was/is going.

Same thing with Manny Pacquiao when he tried to change his personal habits to become a more softer and gentler Manny- two straight losses, one by vicious ko. Manny "says" he is back to the old Manny- I can only hope so, because not only do I wanna see action vs. Rios, but I don't want anyone to get hurt based on being a soft-cow.

Sure, a fighter getting hurt, going out in a blaze of glory is one thing- swinging while you're going down. But, to get hurt because you came to the ring slacking off? Backing away? Giving space? Or to lose because you want to be lethargic? WTF?? What about your training all of those months??

Degale has to become more aggressive, or it will be a very short and non-descript career for him. He has the tools, he has the chin, he also has moderate power- he just needs to get that killer mentality. He has to.

[ykdadamaja]

While Ward and Degale both won Olympic Gold Medals, Ward at the 04 Olympics and Degale at the 08, and while they both have the same temperament and calm/sensible demeanor about them, the main difference between them as pro's is that when Ward steps into the ring, he knows that while he is a very skilled boxer, he also has to fight and fight hard...

As boring as they say Ward is, the fact that his disposition in the ring when he fights is clear- clear in terms of who's the boss, who has more aggression and who comes to REALLY fight.

Degale needs to watch Ward to see what we're talking about. Ward comes to let his hands go and mix it up. Degale is still trying to be the nice guy at the wrong time- come to fight, or go home with a broken spirit, broken mind and broken body!!

That and the issue of Degale's promoter. Whoever it is, they are doing a terrible job at handling him. I hope they don't destroy him like how they are looking to destroy David Price and how they killed Audley Harrison and NEARLY ended David Haye.

[FinitoElDinamita]

DeGay isn't aggressive enough also he isn't good enough.

ya.. He's like a C level fighter and has very low boxing IQ..

I remember him talking so much shit about Groves. He sounds pretty stupid