Tyson VS Holyfield in 91

[bradlee180]

I still have a poster for the 1991 clash.

No poster here, but I have an old mag, Bert Randolph Sugar's Boxing Illustrated.

It says the Champ Holyfield was guaranteed 30 million and Tyson 15 million, with both getting a percentage of ppv tv receipts. The promoters were anticipating grossing 100 million dollars in Nov 1991. Tyson was an 11-5 favorite at the time of publication, and the Ruddock rematch in June 1991 had already happened.


Hey Master, we all know Buster did have some talent but psychologically, he ran hot-and-cold, sometimes motivated, sometimes not giving a $#!t.
Do you think Buster could have got up from the Holyfield knockdown?
Do you think Buster just decided to stay down knowing he had a 24 million dollar payday win or lose?

[Mr140]

I think Holyfeild had Tyson number and he actual won a lot of his big fights and was not crushing cans a lot of his career. I laugh when people say Tyson was not prime because neither was Holyfiled. I mean if i had to call the last prime version i say it was Bowie rematch he won after that Holyfeild had some really bad problems health wise after. Holyfeild was just more solid on his fundamentals then Tyson was so he pretty much outclassed him even though he was older and in worst way when it came to his health.

[ross]

Holyfield took steroids to get to the top and stay there and had been active.

[Mr140]

For one all we know most boxer have taken steroids even your god Tyson has. Thing is did Holyfeild ever fail a test in 26 years that he been fighting because since he was such a huge user pretty much says it all. As for them fighting i say Holyfield wins anytime was better fighter and had better wins in his career. I dont really think if mike came in the 90's during his prime he would of looked as good to be honest with you. The 90's had alot top fighters including the men who beat him Holyfield and Lewis during the later part was quite good as well.

[Master]

For one all we know most boxer have taken steroids even your god Tyson has. Thing is did Holyfeild ever fail a test in 26 years that he been fighting because since he was such a huge user pretty much says it all. As for them fighting i say Holyfield wins anytime was better fighter and had better wins in his career.

My god Tyson did not take PED he just took recreational drugs and alcohol.

[Mr140]

Well master do you think Holyfeild was a ped user because he never failed a test in the 26 years he has been fighting. I mean if Holyfeild can do it i don't doubt a lot of fighters if not all at top level do it and have been for sometime. Also ross love all the excuse you give your boy when he losses i find it funny.

[Master]

Well master do you think Holyfeild was a ped user because he never failed a test in the 26 years he has been fighting. I mean if Holyfeild can do it i don't doubt a lot of fighters if not all at top level do it and have been for sometime. Also ross love all the excuse you give your boy when he losses i find it funny.

I hate to think any boxer is taking it especially top boxers like Holyfield or Shane. I have never accused them and would not do so unless caught.

[ross]

Tell me one other fighter since Tyson that has defended the WBC, WBA and IBF title 6 times?

Do you realise how difficult it is to keep all the titles together and make that many defences? Its very difficult which is why Lewis and Holyfield could not match Mikes dominance.

Wlad now really has no claim to be the top man in his division. Ots a small acheivement that hes managed to hold one title for so long but hes never held all 3 major titles at once.

[bradlee180]

I think Holyfeild had Tyson number and he actual won a lot of his big fights and was not crushing cans a lot of his career. I laugh when people say Tyson was not prime because neither was Holyfiled. I mean if i had to call the last prime version i say it was Bowie rematch he won after that Holyfeild had some really bad problems health wise after. Holyfeild was just more solid on his fundamentals then Tyson was so he pretty much outclassed him even though he was older and in worst way when it came to his health.

I don't think Holyfield had better fundamentals than Tyson.
Holyfield was more versatile. For example Tyson couldn't fight going backwards, Holy could.
Holyfield had many Great attributes, bur he had some shortcomings:
I think Holyfield fought off-balance a lot.
He didn't move his head enough; that's why he got hit so cleanly by so many fighters; he'd just stand there. His world-class chin, one of the best in Boxing, is what kept him in there many times.
He didn't have Heavyweight power, and part of that was all that nonsensical bouncing around excuse-for-footwork he'd do. When you bounce like that, your feet aren't planted, and you lose power.
He also hardly ever gets called for all the rule-breaking he did with his chronic head-butting and elbows.
Tyson, likewise had many Great attributes and some shortcomings, but he had excellent fundamentals for the style he utilized as a 5'11" guy consistently fighting 6'4" guys.

[Master]

I think Holyfeild had Tyson number and he actual won a lot of his big fights and was not crushing cans a lot of his career. I laugh when people say Tyson was not prime because neither was Holyfiled. I mean if i had to call the last prime version i say it was Bowie rematch he won after that Holyfeild had some really bad problems health wise after. Holyfeild was just more solid on his fundamentals then Tyson was so he pretty much outclassed him even though he was older and in worst way when it came to his health.

I don't think Holyfield had better fundamentals than Tyson.
Holyfield was more versatile. For example Tyson couldn't fight going backwards, Holy could.
Holyfield had many Great attributes, bur he had some shortcomings:
I think Holyfield fought off-balance a lot.
He didn't move his head enough; that's why he got hit so cleanly by so many fighters; he'd just stand there. His world-class chin, one of the best in Boxing, is what kept him in there many times.
He didn't have Heavyweight power, and part of that was all that nonsensical bouncing around excuse-for-footwork he'd do. When you bounce like that, your feet aren't planted, and you lose power.
He also hardly ever gets called for all the rule-breaking he did with his chronic head-butting and elbows.
Tyson, likewise had many Great attributes and some shortcomings, but he had excellent fundamentals for the style he utilized as a 5'11" guy consistently fighting 6'4" guys.

Tyson could be pushed back but he came at you from the sides and obliterated you.

[bradlee180]

Yep, that's the liability of squaring up: you can be pushed back, neutralizing your punching power because you don't have time to punch before getting pushed back.
The advantage is more torque and power on your hooks and uppercuts when you get inside...
Holyfeild was very masterful in how he took advantage of that.

It's not how Buster defeated Tyson at all.

I always think of Buster getting off first with long-range right-hand leads...
Very dangerous to throw right-hand leads, but it worked for Buster on Tyson, and it worked for Ali on Foreman...

[GAME]

Mike would be dangerous in the exchanges but unless he landed something big early I think it would go the same way it did in 96.

Holyfield had Tysons number and once he had absorbed his initial assault he would start roughing him up and wearing him down.

Holyfield in 91 was a machine and could go non stop for 12 rounds, Mike would only be a threat to him for 5 or 6 rounds

[Master]

Mike would be dangerous in the exchanges but unless he landed something big early I think it would go the same way it did in 96.

Holyfield had Tysons number and once he had absorbed his initial assault he would start roughing him up and wearing him down.

Holyfield in 91 was a machine and could go non stop for 12 rounds, Mike would only be a threat to him for 5 or 6 rounds

Holyfield was a skinny heavyweight then, Tyson would have butchered his body. Later he put on the muscle to absorb the heavyweight shots.

[Master]

I still have a poster for the 1991 clash.

No poster here, but I have an old mag, Bert Randolph Sugar's Boxing Illustrated.

It says the Champ Holyfield was guaranteed 30 million and Tyson 15 million, with both getting a percentage of ppv tv receipts. The promoters were anticipating grossing 100 million dollars in Nov 1991. Tyson was an 11-5 favorite at the time of publication, and the Ruddock rematch in June 1991 had already happened.


Hey Master, we all know Buster did have some talent but psychologically, he ran hot-and-cold, sometimes motivated, sometimes not giving a $#!t.
Do you think Buster could have got up from the Holyfield knockdown?
Do you think Buster just decided to stay down knowing he had a 24 million dollar payday win or lose?

Definitely Buster could have gotten up and he decided to stay down and collect the cheque without minimal damage. He was going to lose anyway he was not motivated as he was against Tyson. Now that version would have never have gone down in the first place and may have won.