Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????

[Beanflicker]

Yeah I disagree with Oscar looking brilliant against Pernell. In most exchanges, Sweet Pea made him look like an amateur, swinging and hitting air (even Oscar laughed several times after his combos because he felt stupid). But of course Jim Lampley (Oscar nuthugger #1) got excited and called the missed blows like they landed clean.

[Master]

I think the best out come for Tito would be a draw and that would be generous. I just find it funny when rice brings up Bernard and Jones and then ask how Oscar would do but ignores that Tito could not even beat Oscar himself. Also lets not forget were both fighters started fighting at as Tito was a bigger guy in general. I mean Oscar started off at 130 and then went to 160 Tito started at 147 so i don't think it really that fair to compare there jumps up in weight really. I would be interest to see your score cards round by round master i might redo mine again.

It is a long time since I watched it and it was not a great fight to watch and I generally do not score fights again. The fight I have watched the most are ODH and Tito's fight with Vargas, they were both at their best. Great fights.

I agree ODH was the smaller fighter and did brilliantly going up in weight and taking on Pernell, Ike and Tito as these guys would not fight one another.

He should have been disqualified against Vargas.

that's just laughable, Vargas did more acting and hitting low, difference is Trinidad didn't bitch and cry about it, and ODH didn't do brilliantly against Whitaker, most people felt he lost, same against Quartey

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

[Jerry Rice]

Well he at least answered my question i dont think you have told me who you scored the fight for.I don't agree with master but he did at least give me a answer to the question you have yet to. Do you not think Tito is not bigger then Oscar in weight and also who do you think won the fight.

I quoted masters post, I thought I made it clear.

[Jerry Rice]

Yeah I disagree with Oscar looking brilliant against Pernell. In most exchanges, Sweet Pea made him look like an amateur, swinging and hitting air (even Oscar laughed several times after his combos because he felt stupid). But of course Jim Lampley (Oscar nuthugger #1) got excited and called the missed blows like they landed clean.

Can someone please post the gifs from that fight, cannot due it from my cell.

[bradlee180]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

[Mr140]

Oscar won with aggression Whitaker was not throwing anything you got to hit to score points. As for the Ike fight the last round sealed it for Oscar that knockdown was needed and he got it. Atleast in those fights you can make argument i still to this day can not see Tito winning on points in their fight.

[Jerry Rice]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

[Violent Demise]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

No he did not. It was only 41 more. And most of Whitaker's landed punches was that flicking, ineffective, stay away from me jab. That bullshit knock down he got credit for wasn't even from a punch. Whitaker gave A level defensive performance. But only a D level offensive performance. He did not win that fight

[Jerry Rice]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

No he did not. It was only 41 more. And most of Whitaker's landed punches was that flicking, ineffective, stay away from me jab. That bullshit knock down he got credit for wasn't even from a punch. Whitaker gave A level defensive performance. But only a D level offensive performance. He did not win that fight

I know that you are fair when you want to be, at least admit the scorecards were bullshit.

[Violent Demise]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

No he did not. It was only 41 more. And most of Whitaker's landed punches was that flicking, ineffective, stay away from me jab. That bullshit knock down he got credit for wasn't even from a punch. Whitaker gave A level defensive performance. But only a D level offensive performance. He did not win that fight

I know that you are fair when you want to be, at least admit the scorecards were bullshit.

They were. Way to wide. But the right guy won