Why was Tito so obsessed with Roy and not with Oscar ????

[bradlee180]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

[Mr140]

Oscar won with aggression Whitaker was not throwing anything you got to hit to score points. As for the Ike fight the last round sealed it for Oscar that knockdown was needed and he got it. Atleast in those fights you can make argument i still to this day can not see Tito winning on points in their fight.

[Jerry Rice]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

[Violent Demise]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

No he did not. It was only 41 more. And most of Whitaker's landed punches was that flicking, ineffective, stay away from me jab. That bullshit knock down he got credit for wasn't even from a punch. Whitaker gave A level defensive performance. But only a D level offensive performance. He did not win that fight

[Jerry Rice]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

No he did not. It was only 41 more. And most of Whitaker's landed punches was that flicking, ineffective, stay away from me jab. That bullshit knock down he got credit for wasn't even from a punch. Whitaker gave A level defensive performance. But only a D level offensive performance. He did not win that fight

I know that you are fair when you want to be, at least admit the scorecards were bullshit.

[Violent Demise]

I thought ODH deserved the decisions against Pernell and Ike.

He did.

Mostly folks argue about the Pernell fight.
De La Hoya won that on effective aggression. Pernell lost on inaction and not throwing enough back.
If you're gonna make a man miss, you're also supposed to make him pay by giving him a counter.
Pernell didn't do that. Pernell would make him miss and walk away, not make him miss and make him pay. He didn't counter. Pernell would showboat a bit after making De La Hoya miss like an amateur, trying to give the impression that Pernell was in control of the fight, but Pernell wasn't throwing counter-shots after making him miss, Pernell clowned around instead. That doesn't win fights. I give it to the guy who's at least throwing punches, trying to win the fight.

De la Hoya kept coming ahead with aggression, at least throwing shots with bad intentions, while Pernell kept on the backfoot, making him miss but not taking advantage with counters. In that moment, I'm gonna give it to the fighter who's at least coming ahead trying to make a fight out of it, not the dude shucking and jiving, not engaging and not throwing counters after making the man miss....

He landed 90 more punches, how much countering do you want

No he did not. It was only 41 more. And most of Whitaker's landed punches was that flicking, ineffective, stay away from me jab. That bullshit knock down he got credit for wasn't even from a punch. Whitaker gave A level defensive performance. But only a D level offensive performance. He did not win that fight

I know that you are fair when you want to be, at least admit the scorecards were bullshit.

They were. Way to wide. But the right guy won