Wow this Quebec charter thing made Aljazeera

[CFH]

Frankly, I think it's bullshit and discriminatory.

If we want to consider ourselves a multicultural society (as I believe Quebecers are largely in favour of ), then we can't discriminate against people based on their religious beliefs.

Making people choose between their religion and their jobs, or effectively barring certain religions from entering the public service in the name of 'equality' inherently discriminatory and it amounts to little more than thinly veiled racism. Funny how this only started after we started receiving large numbers of immigrants from non-European countries; no one gave a shit about religious symbolism 30 years ago when almost everyone was some variation of the same belief system.

And for what it's worth, I have very few good things to say about religion.

On the contrary. Its precisely why we are a multicultural society that we dont need religious symbols in the public service. Nobody is saying you cant wear whatever outside of the work place. We are talking about the workplace and Government representatives. That workplace needs to be seen as totally neutral.

That's fine to say when you are looking at things through the lens of Euro-Christian religion, but there are other belief systems that state certain symbols must be worn. Forcing people to choose between their religion and money, and pursuing an assimilationist social policy is wrong.

Like I said, I don't give a flying fuck how a public servant dresses as long as they do their job competently. However, I do care a lot about legislative, institutionalized racism, something that is a long-standing and historical blight on the country I happen to live in.

And how does being religious violate the neutrality of service in any way? And why does a workplace, even a public one, need to present the entirely false facade of being perfectly neutral? If someone was found to be acting outside the rules of their job because of their beliefs (which I cannot imagine is an issue anywhere outside the minds of the PQ), then I have no doubt they will face discipline. It's not a big enough issue to warrant violating the basic rights of a large group of people just because their skin is a different colour. Furthermore, if some cracker asshole feels like they can't receive fair service from a Muslim (or whoever), then maybe they should take a hard look at their own xenophobic beliefs before trying to blame a fucking piece of cloth wrapped around someone's head.

[IamInuit]

Frankly, I think it's bullshit and discriminatory.

If we want to consider ourselves a multicultural society (as I believe Quebecers are largely in favour of ), then we can't discriminate against people based on their religious beliefs.

Making people choose between their religion and their jobs, or effectively barring certain religions from entering the public service in the name of 'equality' inherently discriminatory and it amounts to little more than thinly veiled racism. Funny how this only started after we started receiving large numbers of immigrants from non-European countries; no one gave a shit about religious symbolism 30 years ago when almost everyone was some variation of the same belief system.

And for what it's worth, I have very few good things to say about religion.

On the contrary. Its precisely why we are a multicultural society that we dont need religious symbols in the public service. Nobody is saying you cant wear whatever outside of the work place. We are talking about the workplace and Government representatives. That workplace needs to be seen as totally neutral.

That's fine to say when you are looking at things through the lens of Euro-Christian religion, but there are other belief systems that state certain symbols must be worn. Forcing people to choose between their religion and money, and pursuing an assimilationist social policy is wrong.

Like I said, I don't give a flying fuck how a public servant dresses as long as they do their job competently. However, I do care a lot about legislative, institutionalized racism, something that is a long-standing and historical blight on the country I happen to live in.

And how does being religious violate the neutrality of service in any way? And why does a workplace, even a public one, need to present the entirely false facade of being perfectly neutral? If someone was found to be acting outside the rules of their job because of their beliefs (which I cannot imagine is an issue anywhere outside the minds of the PQ), then I have no doubt they will face discipline. It's not a big enough issue to warrant violating the basic rights of a large group of people just because their skin is a different colour. Furthermore, if some cracker asshole feels like they can't receive fair service from a Muslim (or whoever), then maybe they should take a hard look at their own xenophobic beliefs before trying to blame a fucking piece of cloth wrapped around someone's head.

I can understand about the Christian/Euro belief hold over and it is part of history and the symbols are everywhere in the country but they are even canceling those in Quebec so its not xenophobia.
Imagine a Hasidic Jew trying to get services from a Palestinian or a Tutsi trying from a Hutu who's wearing his tribal garb. It has nothing to do with ones skin colour. It has to do with religious symbols and giant crosses and the like are included. I hope they go all the way and cancel Christmas.