Haye v fury postponed!!!!

[IamInuit]

@IamInuit , no one seriously believes Haye cut himself, bro. But you gotta admit..... the guy has a history of "hard-to-ignore" shit. First he breaks Guinness world records for trash-talking before Wlad, and proceeds to stink up the ring, all the while blaming his big toe. He considers himself a celebrity, as many of you well state, and thus is somehow exempt from having to grunt his way to a championship fight against a Klitschko. It's like.... "Honey, I'm home. Is dinner ready?" He thinks he's entitled because he's David Fucking Haye. He's got a history of pulling out of fights for mysterious reasons. And now that he had his fans practically foaming at the mouth at the prospect of a good fight against Fury..... he moronically exposes himself to a fight-postponing injury in a sparring session, obviously without any headgear. I've seen real fights stopped for lesser cuts than that one. So on top of it all, he disrespects his sport... and his fans.
Why should anyone cut him any slack?

My friend that's fence sitting a bit and no offense personally. You simply cant lead off with that statement and have me take it all that seriously. You cant on the one hand agree that its ridiculous to think he cut himself or allowed himself to be cut and then doubt it because of past shady deeds.

A cut ended the fight. That's it. No conspiracy. Nobody volunteers that injury.

Besides, does anyone outside of a Haye hater actually believe that such a lumbering double left footed telegraphing oaf had a chance to even take this fight deep? Btw I'm half Irish on my fathers side. Fury's still a reincarnation of Primo Carnera and empirical evidence for history repeating itself.

Had to edit. 1/4 Irish. My dads mom was Norwegian.

[Freedom]

Did David Haye use the same kind of makeup to fake his cut as they used to fake the cuts in Spartacus: Blood and Sand?

[TitoFan]

@IamInuit , no one seriously believes Haye cut himself, bro. But you gotta admit..... the guy has a history of "hard-to-ignore" shit. First he breaks Guinness world records for trash-talking before Wlad, and proceeds to stink up the ring, all the while blaming his big toe. He considers himself a celebrity, as many of you well state, and thus is somehow exempt from having to grunt his way to a championship fight against a Klitschko. It's like.... "Honey, I'm home. Is dinner ready?" He thinks he's entitled because he's David Fucking Haye. He's got a history of pulling out of fights for mysterious reasons. And now that he had his fans practically foaming at the mouth at the prospect of a good fight against Fury..... he moronically exposes himself to a fight-postponing injury in a sparring session, obviously without any headgear. I've seen real fights stopped for lesser cuts than that one. So on top of it all, he disrespects his sport... and his fans.
Why should anyone cut him any slack?

My friend that's fence sitting a bit and no offense personally. You simply cant lead off with that statement and have me take it all that seriously. You cant on the one hand agree that its ridiculous to think he cut himself or allowed himself to be cut and then doubt it because of past shady deeds.

A cut ended the fight. That's it. No conspiracy. Nobody volunteers that injury.

Besides, does anyone outside of a Haye hater actually believe that such a lumbering double left footed telegraphing oaf had a chance to even take this fight deep? Btw I'm half Irish on my fathers side. Fury's still a reincarnation of Primo Carnera and empirical evidence for history repeating itself.

Had to edit. 1/4 Irish. My dads mom was Norwegian.

@IamInuit , I'm trying mightily to convey something you're somehow not understanding.
Did he cut himself? No.
Did he allow himself to get cut? No.
Was he foolish and reckless in sparring without a headgear and exposing himself to a fight-postponing injury?
Fuck yeah.

I knew you would attract flies with the fence-sitting comment.
Unfortunate choice of words from someone whose opinion I respect.

Nothing contradictory or fence-sitting about my comments, bro.
I invite you to reread them as many times as necessary until it sinks in.
I'll help if needed.

[Freedom]

Will David Haye compensate Tyson Fury for his training costs? Sparring partners like Steve Cunningham & Eddie Chambers don't come cheap.

[Beanz]

@IamInuit , no one seriously believes Haye cut himself, bro. But you gotta admit..... the guy has a history of "hard-to-ignore" shit. First he breaks Guinness world records for trash-talking before Wlad, and proceeds to stink up the ring, all the while blaming his big toe. He considers himself a celebrity, as many of you well state, and thus is somehow exempt from having to grunt his way to a championship fight against a Klitschko. It's like.... "Honey, I'm home. Is dinner ready?" He thinks he's entitled because he's David Fucking Haye. He's got a history of pulling out of fights for mysterious reasons. And now that he had his fans practically foaming at the mouth at the prospect of a good fight against Fury..... he moronically exposes himself to a fight-postponing injury in a sparring session, obviously without any headgear. I've seen real fights stopped for lesser cuts than that one. So on top of it all, he disrespects his sport... and his fans.
Why should anyone cut him any slack?

My friend that's fence sitting a bit and no offense personally. You simply cant lead off with that statement and have me take it all that seriously. You cant on the one hand agree that its ridiculous to think he cut himself or allowed himself to be cut and then doubt it because of past shady deeds.

A cut ended the fight. That's it. No conspiracy. Nobody volunteers that injury.

Besides, does anyone outside of a Haye hater actually believe that such a lumbering double left footed telegraphing oaf had a chance to even take this fight deep? Btw I'm half Irish on my fathers side. Fury's still a reincarnation of Primo Carnera and empirical evidence for history repeating itself.

Had to edit. 1/4 Irish. My dads mom was Norwegian.

@IamInuit , I'm trying mightily to convey something you're somehow not understanding.
Did he cut himself? No.
Did he allow himself to get cut? No.
Was he foolish and reckless in sparring without a headgear and exposing himself to a fight-postponing injury?
Fuck yeah.

I knew you would attract flies with the fence-sitting comment.
Unfortunate choice of words from someone whose opinion I respect.

Nothing contradictory or fence-sitting about my comments, bro.
I invite you to reread them as many times as necessary until it sinks in.
I'll help if needed.

What a patronising puke of a post. Lighten up, you are so NEGATIVE and hysterical.

[TitoFan]

@IamInuit , no one seriously believes Haye cut himself, bro. But you gotta admit..... the guy has a history of "hard-to-ignore" shit. First he breaks Guinness world records for trash-talking before Wlad, and proceeds to stink up the ring, all the while blaming his big toe. He considers himself a celebrity, as many of you well state, and thus is somehow exempt from having to grunt his way to a championship fight against a Klitschko. It's like.... "Honey, I'm home. Is dinner ready?" He thinks he's entitled because he's David Fucking Haye. He's got a history of pulling out of fights for mysterious reasons. And now that he had his fans practically foaming at the mouth at the prospect of a good fight against Fury..... he moronically exposes himself to a fight-postponing injury in a sparring session, obviously without any headgear. I've seen real fights stopped for lesser cuts than that one. So on top of it all, he disrespects his sport... and his fans.
Why should anyone cut him any slack?

My friend that's fence sitting a bit and no offense personally. You simply cant lead off with that statement and have me take it all that seriously. You cant on the one hand agree that its ridiculous to think he cut himself or allowed himself to be cut and then doubt it because of past shady deeds.

A cut ended the fight. That's it. No conspiracy. Nobody volunteers that injury.

Besides, does anyone outside of a Haye hater actually believe that such a lumbering double left footed telegraphing oaf had a chance to even take this fight deep? Btw I'm half Irish on my fathers side. Fury's still a reincarnation of Primo Carnera and empirical evidence for history repeating itself.

Had to edit. 1/4 Irish. My dads mom was Norwegian.

@IamInuit , I'm trying mightily to convey something you're somehow not understanding.
Did he cut himself? No.
Did he allow himself to get cut? No.
Was he foolish and reckless in sparring without a headgear and exposing himself to a fight-postponing injury?
Fuck yeah.

I knew you would attract flies with the fence-sitting comment.
Unfortunate choice of words from someone whose opinion I respect.

Nothing contradictory or fence-sitting about my comments, bro.
I invite you to reread them as many times as necessary until it sinks in.
I'll help if needed.

What a patronising puke of a post. Lighten up, you are so NEGATIVE and hysterical.

I realize it's not rambling and pointless, so it figures you wouldn't like it.

[p4pking]

Do we know that he wasn't wearing headgear? Is it really that uncommon to do some final sparring a week before a fight If neither is a yes, then this is just really bad luck. Haye does absolutely have the history and he's going to catch a lot of flack because of it, but I don't see what that has to do with this in reality.

[IamInuit]

I'm trying mightily to convey something you're somehow not understanding.
Did he cut himself? No.
Did he allow himself to get cut? No.
Was he foolish and reckless in sparring without a headgear and exposing himself to a fight-postponing injury?
Fuck yeah.

I knew you would attract flies with the fence-sitting comment.
Unfortunate choice of words from someone whose opinion I respect.

Nothing contradictory or fence-sitting about my comments, bro.
I invite you to reread them as many times as necessary until it sinks in.
I'll help if needed.

I could be a little daft and missing something. I smoke a fair bit of weed and am over 50. I'm understanding quite nicely I think. David Haye got cut in sparring. I dont know that he was sparring without head gear and even if he was so what? Lots of fighters do and have done this. A week before the fight sure that's ego or something and Murphy then entered the room. But I dont know that he was not wearing head gear unless I missed something.

Why was fence sitting such an insult. You dont believe anything was up but then conclude that there is. Its a Canadian expression. Please dont involve me in the board politics. I'm the same guy I was yesterday and believe that I call it all as I see it. There is nothing personal about this and especially this topic. I have no vested interest in David Haye. He could get hit by a bus Sunday on his way to a photo shoot and existentially I could care less.

Fact is you and others view this as something of ulterior in the motive department and I just think its nutbar to think so.

[TitoFan]

I'm trying mightily to convey something you're somehow not understanding.
Did he cut himself? No.
Did he allow himself to get cut? No.
Was he foolish and reckless in sparring without a headgear and exposing himself to a fight-postponing injury?
Fuck yeah.

I knew you would attract flies with the fence-sitting comment.
Unfortunate choice of words from someone whose opinion I respect.

Nothing contradictory or fence-sitting about my comments, bro.
I invite you to reread them as many times as necessary until it sinks in.
I'll help if needed.

I could be a little daft and missing something. I smoke a fair bit of weed and am over 50. I'm understanding quite nicely I think. David Haye got cut in sparring. I dont know that he was sparring without head gear and even if he was so what? Lots of fighters do and have done this. A week before the fight sure that's ego or something and Murphy then entered the room. But I dont know that he was not wearing head gear unless I missed something.

Why was fence sitting such an insult. You dont believe anything was up but then conclude that there is. Its a Canadian expression. Please dont involve me in the board politics. I'm the same guy I was yesterday and believe that I call it all as I see it. There is nothing personal about this and especially this topic. I have no vested interest in David Haye. He could get hit by a bus Sunday on his way to a photo shoot and existentially I could care less.

Fact is you and others view this as something of ulterior in the motive department and I just think its nutbar to think so.

Fact is..... that is INcorrect.
Ulterior motive implies something intentional.
Reckless and careless behavior is not necessarily intentional.
Asinine? Inconsiderate? Foolish? Par for the course?
Damn straight.
But not necessarily intentional.

It's not like you, IamInuit, to repeat the same opinion several times over, when I've repeatedly shown it to be untrue.

And please spare me the lecture on forum politics, my friend.
I make it my business to avoid confrontations with those I have little respect for.
Or..... to drag other people into my arguments.
Certain phrases, however, are open invitations that I personally do not welcome.

[p4pking]

The only thing you've "shown to be untrue" is that you have the capacity to post objectively about anything.

[TitoFan]

The only thing you've "shown to be untrue" is that you have the capacity to post objectively about anything.

I find that to be a very subjective statement.

[TitoFan]

Note to self: Criticisms of David Haye lead to serious butthurt, denial, and aggresive behavior.
Best to move on to other topics.

[p4pking]

The only thing you've "shown to be untrue" is that you have the capacity to post objectively about anything.

I find that to be a very subjective statement.

You would.

[IamInuit]

I'm trying mightily to convey something you're somehow not understanding.
Did he cut himself? No.
Did he allow himself to get cut? No.
Was he foolish and reckless in sparring without a headgear and exposing himself to a fight-postponing injury?
Fuck yeah.

I knew you would attract flies with the fence-sitting comment.
Unfortunate choice of words from someone whose opinion I respect.

Nothing contradictory or fence-sitting about my comments, bro.
I invite you to reread them as many times as necessary until it sinks in.
I'll help if needed.

I could be a little daft and missing something. I smoke a fair bit of weed and am over 50. I'm understanding quite nicely I think. David Haye got cut in sparring. I dont know that he was sparring without head gear and even if he was so what? Lots of fighters do and have done this. A week before the fight sure that's ego or something and Murphy then entered the room. But I dont know that he was not wearing head gear unless I missed something.

Why was fence sitting such an insult. You dont believe anything was up but then conclude that there is. Its a Canadian expression. Please dont involve me in the board politics. I'm the same guy I was yesterday and believe that I call it all as I see it. There is nothing personal about this and especially this topic. I have no vested interest in David Haye. He could get hit by a bus Sunday on his way to a photo shoot and existentially I could care less.

Fact is you and others view this as something of ulterior in the motive department and I just think its nutbar to think so.

Fact is..... that is INcorrect.
Ulterior motive implies something intentional.
Reckless and careless behavior is not necessarily intentional.
Asinine? Inconsiderate? Foolish? Par for the course?
Damn straight.
But not necessarily intentional.

It's not like you, IamInuit, to repeat the same opinion several times over, when I've repeatedly shown it to be untrue.

And please spare me the lecture on forum politics, my friend.
I make it my business to avoid confrontations with those I have little respect for.
Or..... to drag other people into my arguments.
Certain phrases, however, are open invitations that I personally do not welcome.

Fact is it is correct. Are you going to tell me that generalizations have not been made in this thread or that Hayes personal integrity regardless of the facts as in the cut are being questioned?

Ulterior motive implies something intentional.
Reckless and careless behavior is not necessarily intentional.
Asinine? Inconsiderate? Foolish? Par for the course?
Damn straight.
But not necessarily intentional.

Semantics. You cant have it both ways. Fact of the matter is, conclusions have been drawn or at least pointed to that because of Hayes past that this is suspect. Now you dont need to hold a doctorate in deductive reasoning to see it. Define intentional. The definition of ulterior is as circular as the thought or act so taking a one word for its definition is more suspect then Haye.

Look man he got cut. Cut above the eye on the front of the skull. Nothing sinister.

End of story and I'm not continuing this.

[p4pking]

Exactly. Suppose Haye had never pulled out of a fight or been hard to negotiate with, never turned in anything less than stellar in the ring. The fact that this isn't the case has DICK ALL to do with what happened here, it's just an unfortunate coincidence.