Angel Heredia

[FinitoElDinamita]

I dont know but he's a smart guy.. I give him a ton of credit..

[IamInuit]

" Strength and conditioning coach" or in laymen terms crock of shit. Any rebuttal? Can you give me a historical need? I think not. Heredia or John Smith it makes no difference to me. The need for these people in an already coddled world begs the question.

[ykdadamaja]

" Strength and conditioning coach" or in laymen terms crock of shit. Any rebuttal? Can you give me a historical need? I think not. Heredia or John Smith it makes no difference to me. The need for these people in an already coddled world begs the question.

Basically, he came to boxing because the rules in boxing are loose and there is more short term money in it than amateur athletics. Dunno why he didn't do it much sooner?!?!?

[IamInuit]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

[ykdadamaja]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

Money doesn't dictate who's or what's best! Money is an indicator of what's marketable. Money is bringing in more leeches, to give average and lacklustre fighters that edge over other lacklustre and average fighters.

[p4pking]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.

[greynotsoold]

In the old days, guys like Sullivan and Dempsey didn't fight all that much once they became champ because there were easier ways to make good money. Sullivan hired people like Muldoon to get him in shape when he'd been off for a time.
For what it is worth, I don't think that Heredia, who ever he is, had anything to do with Marquez ko'ing Pac. I thought that Marquez would time that right hand in their first fight; I saw it watching him and thought it was inevitable. And it was, it just took one of the two smartest guys fighting today more than 40 rounds to do it. But Pac knew it was coming, too. Look how he bailed out as he threw his left hand. He got the taste of blood, though, and forgot. Brought the left foot up so he could sit down on his hook.

[IamInuit]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.

Very good point however these 1 or 2 fight guys a year at the top of the sport should not need any encouragement at this level. I mean its about 72 minutes a year if you fight twice and being just 12 rounds. I mean if you need a kick in the ass with that schedule find a new line of work. And then of course had Robinson made 20 or 30 million a fight he most likely would not have fought 3 times a month. I see the point though but the mega stars look to be fine w/o them and you know the old saying if it aint broke dont fix it. Stick with the plan that has worked prior to the snake oil salesman coming along. Hopkins started out at 175 and with age was already growing out of 160 before he left it. The guy was a gym rat so the hired gun handed him some protein powder and a set of weights, explained the four basic food groups and then asked him to sign the cheque. Roy looked like a water logged dead hypo at the Ruiz weigh in and scaled what 193 fully clothed wearing a velvet track suit and a 5 pound rolex

[Kirkland Laing]

The Olympic Dealer [interview with Ángel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com