Angel Heredia

[IamInuit]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

[ykdadamaja]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

Money doesn't dictate who's or what's best! Money is an indicator of what's marketable. Money is bringing in more leeches, to give average and lacklustre fighters that edge over other lacklustre and average fighters.

[p4pking]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.

[greynotsoold]

In the old days, guys like Sullivan and Dempsey didn't fight all that much once they became champ because there were easier ways to make good money. Sullivan hired people like Muldoon to get him in shape when he'd been off for a time.
For what it is worth, I don't think that Heredia, who ever he is, had anything to do with Marquez ko'ing Pac. I thought that Marquez would time that right hand in their first fight; I saw it watching him and thought it was inevitable. And it was, it just took one of the two smartest guys fighting today more than 40 rounds to do it. But Pac knew it was coming, too. Look how he bailed out as he threw his left hand. He got the taste of blood, though, and forgot. Brought the left foot up so he could sit down on his hook.

[IamInuit]

I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.

I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.

Very good point however these 1 or 2 fight guys a year at the top of the sport should not need any encouragement at this level. I mean its about 72 minutes a year if you fight twice and being just 12 rounds. I mean if you need a kick in the ass with that schedule find a new line of work. And then of course had Robinson made 20 or 30 million a fight he most likely would not have fought 3 times a month. I see the point though but the mega stars look to be fine w/o them and you know the old saying if it aint broke dont fix it. Stick with the plan that has worked prior to the snake oil salesman coming along. Hopkins started out at 175 and with age was already growing out of 160 before he left it. The guy was a gym rat so the hired gun handed him some protein powder and a set of weights, explained the four basic food groups and then asked him to sign the cheque. Roy looked like a water logged dead hypo at the Ruiz weigh in and scaled what 193 fully clothed wearing a velvet track suit and a 5 pound rolex

[Kirkland Laing]

The Olympic Dealer [interview with Ángel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

[zhubin]

He is just as "legit" as Alex Ariza. I find the uproar about Heredia to be quite hilarious...ESPECIALLY coming from Pac fans. As far as i'm concerned...Ariza is just as shady as Heredia. I thought it was very telling a while back (before the 4th Pac/Marquez fight) when they asked Ariza about Heredia's past...Alex had nothing bad to say on 24/7. He knows the deal. As IamInuit stated earlier..."strength and conditioning coach" basically means chemist.

[Julius Rain]

He is just as "legit" as Alex Ariza. I find the uproar about Heredia to be quite hilarious...ESPECIALLY coming from Pac fans. As far as i'm concerned...Ariza is just as shady as Heredia. I thought it was very telling a while back (before the 4th Pac/Marquez fight) when they asked Ariza about Heredia's past...Alex had nothing bad to say on 24/7. He knows the deal. As IamInuit stated earlier..."strength and conditioning coach" basically means chemist.

Big difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.

Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.

You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.

I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?

[zhubin]

He is just as "legit" as Alex Ariza. I find the uproar about Heredia to be quite hilarious...ESPECIALLY coming from Pac fans. As far as i'm concerned...Ariza is just as shady as Heredia. I thought it was very telling a while back (before the 4th Pac/Marquez fight) when they asked Ariza about Heredia's past...Alex had nothing bad to say on 24/7. He knows the deal. As IamInuit stated earlier..."strength and conditioning coach" basically means chemist.

Big difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.

Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.

You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.

I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?

Riiiiiiiiiiight

[Kirkland Laing]

He is just as "legit" as Alex Ariza. I find the uproar about Heredia to be quite hilarious...ESPECIALLY coming from Pac fans. As far as i'm concerned...Ariza is just as shady as Heredia. I thought it was very telling a while back (before the 4th Pac/Marquez fight) when they asked Ariza about Heredia's past...Alex had nothing bad to say on 24/7. He knows the deal. As IamInuit stated earlier..."strength and conditioning coach" basically means chemist.

Strength and conditioning coaches are people who understand physiology and sports science, they are not chemists or pharmacists. Name one qualified chemist other than Heredia. Even better, name one chemist or pharmacist who supplied PEDs to athletes for years, was caught and banned from athletics and then reinvented himself overnight as a strength and conditioning coach.