Edwin Valero in the current 140.. prolly would have put Lucas to sleep

[Violent Demise]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

[FinitoElDinamita]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

[Violent Demise]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

The atmosphere in that fight was crazy. I can't see Matthysse or Garcia taking a fight there. Especially not the Garcia camp. Angel would get killed during the ring walk

[SugarBoxing]

Going back to Lucas, I believe his problem is that he is doing mitts too much, he should work more the heavy bag like Floyd or Valero, developing the "snap" (he has the snap, but I mean training the ablity to sustain it for all 12 rounds) and punching output. Floyd by the way by the end of the camp is also throwing like 900 punches in 3 min (I saw the punch count in some 24/7).

[Spicoli]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

Mosquera was a good fighter but he wasn't king kong. Panama had a shot in the arm with mass championship weekend yr earlier...helluva war btw.. and it was an insane enviroment but it also showed how a guy with ok pop could walk in on Valero early and land repeatedly.

[gest12645]

I think both Lucas and Garcia edge Valero in a tough decision. Then again, Valera had hands of stone

[Violent Demise]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

Mosquera was a good fighter but he wasn't king kong. Panama had a shot in the arm with mass championship weekend yr earlier...helluva war btw.. and it was an insane enviroment but it also showed how a guy with ok pop could walk in on Valero early and land repeatedly.

Neither was Lamont Peterson. Who you think was a better fighter? Mosquera or Peterson? Obviously I'm talking about there prime versions and not the current ones

[Spicoli]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

Mosquera was a good fighter but he wasn't king kong. Panama had a shot in the arm with mass championship weekend yr earlier...helluva war btw.. and it was an insane enviroment but it also showed how a guy with ok pop could walk in on Valero early and land repeatedly.

Neither was Lamont Peterson. Who you think was a better fighter? Mosquera or Peterson? Obviously I'm talking about there prime versions and not the current ones

From what I've seen and I may be coming at it with a tilt....seen Mosquera 3 times, Peterson at least 14...but Peterson def more consitent, faster feet, faster hands, sharper. Mosquera looked top class early in winning his trinket but hit often and then a wide plodding slugger with Valero. I believe both of these guys suffer from the same fault...they fall into fighting a not so smart fight, other dudes terms at times and get hit too much. Pretty much why I fully expected Matthysse to torch Peterson eventually. If Bradley and Khan are dropping you, Matthysse is ruining your day. At the end of the day you got two good boxers being detonated buy superior punchers. Mosquera went out slow and painful but had his moments, Valero stepped up, got up and ended it...Peterson went out like he was run over by Brinks truck. And to go totally bat shit crazy...I think Lucas was just as impressive in say the Judah fight. I know, fuckin nuts. Thought he fought a helluva fight, showed some boxing and closed like a brute and got jobbed on the cards. Thats the long answer of it, blame the rum.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Valero scaring the shit out of Barrios lol

[ElTerribleMorales]

Valero scaring the shit out of Barrios lol

yet he never had the balls to face him, just like he didn't have the balls to face his criminal sentencing....sad pathetic little clown