So the Danes made first trip through the Northwest Passage. Any guess on the cargo?

[IamInuit]

The hard evidence appears in. At least as hard as other theories proven to be fact. Say like the laws of thermodynamics or the soon to be extinction of the oceans wildlife right in front of us.

[El Kabong]

The hard evidence appears in. At least as hard as other theories proven to be fact. Say like the laws of thermodynamics or the soon to be extinction of the oceans wildlife right in front of us.

If the science was so friggin solid then why prey tell was every single scientist caught off guard when the climate didn't warm? Global warming is a political movement not a scientific one, that's why.

[Beanz]

Everything is a political movement, even the decision on where to have a bowel movement, that is no argument against a rising tsunami of scientific fact. Just because you are lucky enough to be able to swim does not mean you should refuse to throw a lifesaver in as many others drown. Global Warming is a fact, however inconvenient that may be for you.

[El Kabong]

Global Warming is a fact, however inconvenient that may be for you.

Then why hasn't it warmed in 15 years chief? Why have 100% of the climate models been wrong if "the science is settled"....I mean if there WAS science to it then predictions would be easy would they not? Can't predict what the weather will be like 20 days from now but we can give an "accurate" prediction of the CLIMATE 10-20 years in advance? Call me crazy, but I have my doubts and I have them because the implementation of policies to "fight against Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change" will hurt people in a very big, very bad way....but you guys go right ahead and attempt to "save the earth" it ain't going anywhere

[VictorCharlie]

The earth's climate has never been static and always been fluid. It has been warming since the end of the last ice age. The question isn't is the climate changing (although the new "climate change" moniker is pretty cute") or are we going through a warming trend but rather what role does the human race play in how the climate changes and for political purposes specifically the role of 250+ years of fossil fuel consumption. This and what can/should be done about it is not settled. If nothing else the abject failure of almost all AGW predictive models shows that the scientists in the field still have a lot to learn about our climate, why/how it changes and what are the strongest contributing factors.

[El Kabong]

The earth's climate has never been static and always been fluid. It has been warming since the end of the last ice age. The question isn't is the climate changing (although the new "climate change" moniker is pretty cute") or are we going through a warming trend but rather what role does the human race play in how the climate changes and for political purposes specifically the role of 250+ years of fossil fuel consumption. This and what can/should be done about it is not settled. If nothing else the abject failure of almost all AGW predictive models shows that the scientists in the field still have a lot to learn about our climate, why/how it changes and what are the strongest contributing factors.

Pffffft nice attempt to use LOGIC, but the believers of Global Warming do not care about that!



Also if there WAS truly "Anthropogenic Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change" then why did those guys at East Anglia deliberately fudge their data again? Did we ever figure that out or don't you guys want to?

[Andre]

The hard evidence appears in. At least as hard as other theories proven to be fact. Say like the laws of thermodynamics or the soon to be extinction of the oceans wildlife right in front of us.

If the science was so friggin solid then why prey tell was every single scientist caught off guard when the climate didn't warm? Global warming is a political movement not a scientific one, that's why.

Global warming is a business for sure.You can swap and buy rewards from other companies points and still blow all your own shit up the chimney; (that says it all right there.)

But we have fucked the ozone layer which has bleached the upper reefs the oceans currents are in reverse from it so theres big change afoot because thats all connected to our weather patterns,crops our skin cancers going through an all record high etc.

Add to it over fishing,dumping of rubbish into oceans, oil removal from deep in the Earth,poisons poured into the ground for weed control and we are creating some changes on some very basic levels of life in, on and around Earth. Then through business we have scientists who are paid to find in favor of continuing these practices and they are paid to only find that not the reverse.

Global warming is a name game and a blame game worth trillions in taxes.

The problems do exist though,they are for real. It was ozone depletion that bleached the reefs and also other depletions caused by chemical additives that are caused by our systems that cause all sorts of strife, from our increase in cancers to ther world colonies of bees dying off,down to the depths where star fish can now survive on reef killing off everything for ever,then the currents and water temps all change and the weather patterns follows suit.

Call it what you like.

[Gandalf]

Lyle clearly fails to understand that he is not a climate change expert and thus should accept that he disagrees with 95% of the worlds scientists. On that basis he should shut up and never talk about these things on a boxing forum. Doesn't Lyle realise that he is just a common cigar chomping, hard liquor drinking, loud, obnoxious, stereotype of all that the world dislikes in the contemporary American? 'Oooh, I've got a gun and will never use it in my entire life no matter how corrupt and nonsensical my country is. Conspiracy theories going against all the science? Yes, please, mark it on my forehead with a stamp saying 'Here is dunce''. Lyle advocates ignorance of facts and thus argues that man might as well tighten the noose and say 'Fuck you, we didn't give a hoot' to the children who will inherit the god forsaken mess.

Anybody can jump into a thread and be an arse. Lyle, is the king of that. Friends and vaginas, as if Lyle would have any concept of the two terms.

[IamInuit]

Might have been Einstein who said that as the world around us continues to change, the thinking of mankind does not. The only place on earth that the effects are even a tin foil hat theory is a country south of me. The same people that would use empirical evidence to prove a theory deny the same criteria on another. The fact that these facts have become left and right for a certain population says something.

[IamInuit]

And come here to Yukon close to the pole or my neighbour Alaska and ask us if global warming is a fact. Better yet view the effects on any number of cataclysm weather events around this planet that grow in scale yearly not decades. This is all natural? Look as an existentialist its inviting that hole in the sand but quite possibly/probably mentally retarded given the evidence not delivered by God.

[El Kabong]

And come here to Yukon close to the pole or my neighbour Alaska and ask us if global warming is a fact. Better yet view the effects on any number of cataclysm weather events around this planet that grow in scale yearly not decades. This is all natural? Look as an existentialist its inviting that hole in the sand but quite possibly/probably mentally retarded given the evidence not delivered by God.

You mean like all those hurricanes the east coast HASN'T been hit with recently?

[IamInuit]

How can any rational human being beyond the thought process of an amoeba deny the footprint which is ongoing of this species? Its truly unbelievable. Actually its not. Fucking now generation. I quoted Albert once and will do it again.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

We celebrate the opening of the North west passage thanks to global warming and then rush in to drill. I hate the fact that we will take everything out with us.

[IamInuit]

Empiricide is not a real word. But I'm sure you catch my drift.

[Gandalf]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. Then of course you get the lunatic political beliefs with the most bizarre hatred of anything 'socialist' and again accurate defintions fall largely by the way side. It is no surprise that people there can be convinced into disbelieving 95% of the science. It's more than a little bit sad. At least if you are in the minority and defending the view that the earth is still the centre of the solar system, then your view isn't going to affect anybody. You can ignore them without a problem and laugh at them too. Yet, if you are in a sizeable minority (only in America) and have huge lobby groups with vested interests on your side, then that creates a bit of a problem.

[VictorCharlie]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs.

Vast swathes? If Lyle shouldn't talk about global warming you damn sure shouldn't opine about what the American people are like. Your ignorance and bigotry about what Americans are like is only surpassed by your willingness to express that ignorance.