So the Danes made first trip through the Northwest Passage. Any guess on the cargo?

[Andre]

The hard evidence appears in. At least as hard as other theories proven to be fact. Say like the laws of thermodynamics or the soon to be extinction of the oceans wildlife right in front of us.

If the science was so friggin solid then why prey tell was every single scientist caught off guard when the climate didn't warm? Global warming is a political movement not a scientific one, that's why.

Global warming is a business for sure.You can swap and buy rewards from other companies points and still blow all your own shit up the chimney; (that says it all right there.)

But we have fucked the ozone layer which has bleached the upper reefs the oceans currents are in reverse from it so theres big change afoot because thats all connected to our weather patterns,crops our skin cancers going through an all record high etc.

Add to it over fishing,dumping of rubbish into oceans, oil removal from deep in the Earth,poisons poured into the ground for weed control and we are creating some changes on some very basic levels of life in, on and around Earth. Then through business we have scientists who are paid to find in favor of continuing these practices and they are paid to only find that not the reverse.

Global warming is a name game and a blame game worth trillions in taxes.

The problems do exist though,they are for real. It was ozone depletion that bleached the reefs and also other depletions caused by chemical additives that are caused by our systems that cause all sorts of strife, from our increase in cancers to ther world colonies of bees dying off,down to the depths where star fish can now survive on reef killing off everything for ever,then the currents and water temps all change and the weather patterns follows suit.

Call it what you like.

[Gandalf]

Lyle clearly fails to understand that he is not a climate change expert and thus should accept that he disagrees with 95% of the worlds scientists. On that basis he should shut up and never talk about these things on a boxing forum. Doesn't Lyle realise that he is just a common cigar chomping, hard liquor drinking, loud, obnoxious, stereotype of all that the world dislikes in the contemporary American? 'Oooh, I've got a gun and will never use it in my entire life no matter how corrupt and nonsensical my country is. Conspiracy theories going against all the science? Yes, please, mark it on my forehead with a stamp saying 'Here is dunce''. Lyle advocates ignorance of facts and thus argues that man might as well tighten the noose and say 'Fuck you, we didn't give a hoot' to the children who will inherit the god forsaken mess.

Anybody can jump into a thread and be an arse. Lyle, is the king of that. Friends and vaginas, as if Lyle would have any concept of the two terms.

[IamInuit]

Might have been Einstein who said that as the world around us continues to change, the thinking of mankind does not. The only place on earth that the effects are even a tin foil hat theory is a country south of me. The same people that would use empirical evidence to prove a theory deny the same criteria on another. The fact that these facts have become left and right for a certain population says something.

[IamInuit]

And come here to Yukon close to the pole or my neighbour Alaska and ask us if global warming is a fact. Better yet view the effects on any number of cataclysm weather events around this planet that grow in scale yearly not decades. This is all natural? Look as an existentialist its inviting that hole in the sand but quite possibly/probably mentally retarded given the evidence not delivered by God.

[El Kabong]

And come here to Yukon close to the pole or my neighbour Alaska and ask us if global warming is a fact. Better yet view the effects on any number of cataclysm weather events around this planet that grow in scale yearly not decades. This is all natural? Look as an existentialist its inviting that hole in the sand but quite possibly/probably mentally retarded given the evidence not delivered by God.

You mean like all those hurricanes the east coast HASN'T been hit with recently?

[IamInuit]

How can any rational human being beyond the thought process of an amoeba deny the footprint which is ongoing of this species? Its truly unbelievable. Actually its not. Fucking now generation. I quoted Albert once and will do it again.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

We celebrate the opening of the North west passage thanks to global warming and then rush in to drill. I hate the fact that we will take everything out with us.

[greynotsoold]

Maybe it is just change, in the way the world was meant to change, and our greed and general 'fuckedupedness' is the instrument of that change?

[Andre]

Maybe it is just change, in the way the world was meant to change, and our greed and general 'fuckedupedness' is the instrument of that change?

fuckedupedness I hope thats eventually put into that new modern dictionary.

[IamInuit]

Empiricide is not a real word. But I'm sure you catch my drift.

[Gandalf]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. Then of course you get the lunatic political beliefs with the most bizarre hatred of anything 'socialist' and again accurate defintions fall largely by the way side. It is no surprise that people there can be convinced into disbelieving 95% of the science. It's more than a little bit sad. At least if you are in the minority and defending the view that the earth is still the centre of the solar system, then your view isn't going to affect anybody. You can ignore them without a problem and laugh at them too. Yet, if you are in a sizeable minority (only in America) and have huge lobby groups with vested interests on your side, then that creates a bit of a problem.

[VictorCharlie]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs.

Vast swathes? If Lyle shouldn't talk about global warming you damn sure shouldn't opine about what the American people are like. Your ignorance and bigotry about what Americans are like is only surpassed by your willingness to express that ignorance.

[Gandalf]

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs.

Vast swathes? If Lyle shouldn't talk about global warming you damn sure shouldn't opine about what the American people are like. Your ignorance and bigotry about what Americans are like is only surpassed by your willingness to express that ignorance.

Typical polls suggest between 40-50% of the populace. I would suggest perhaps that you are the one who lives in ignorance of your own country as there are plenty of articles mostly suggesting that your country is home to tens of millions of science denying, fundamentalist, oddballs. Now at the same time, half the nation appears to be more rational on the issue. Vast swathes was obviously flippant, but appears to be somewhat true.

[VictorCharlie]

Typical polls suggest between 40-50% of the populace. I would suggest perhaps that you are the one who lives in ignorance of your own country as there are plenty of articles mostly suggesting that your country is home to tens of millions of science denying, fundamentalist, oddballs. Now at the same time, half the nation appears to be more rational on the issue. Vast swathes was obviously flippant, but appears to be somewhat true.

If you had ever been to the US or even interacted with more than a handful of American's you'd realize how ignorant you are about this country. Your pompous arrogance about a place you have never been to is truly astonishing. Your attempts to pigeon hole the US population is akin to me making a generalization about the 400+ million in Western Europe except that I have actually traveled in most of those countries. Asking someone if they are a creationist, take a literal interpretation of the Bible and asking someone if the world is between 6-10k years old is not the same thing. I know some pretty devout Christians and I can't name one that is a Young Earth Creationist.

[walrus]

I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

[Andre]

I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

Catholic priests and the big bang theory

The smaller the choir boy the bigger the bang, was that their theory?

Sorry you did ask.