So the Danes made first trip through the Northwest Passage. Any guess on the cargo?

[El Kabong]

I still have no idea who you are, and I don't know anything about wagons. Your posting proves that you exist, yet I shall deny 100% of any evidence handed to me. I can treat issues the Lyle way. It's the opposite of believing in God where, 0.00000000001% percent possibility of existence is neccessary.

That settles that then....read that everyone? I guess we don't need to worry about our threads being taken over by a drunken antisemite and his inane ass kissing allegiance to Noam Chomsky, anymore.....iI think that should brighten up the place quite a bit.

[Gandalf]

I dispute the character assassination with the assertion that I am actually a fairy unicorn thing and that is all there is to say on that.

[El Kabong]

I dispute the character assassination with the assertion that I am actually a fairy unicorn thing and that is all there is to say on that.

....and you are?

[Beanz]

It's not the job of the rational majority to provide quotes to back up what the scientific community agree has a 95% likelihood of being influenced by mankind. The fact that their is a 5% wiggle room for debate just proves the validity of the process.

[VictorCharlie]

The 95% line is misleading though GB. Yes the earth is getting warmer, yes humans affect the climate but a 98% failure in anthropogenic models shows that outside of those generlizations they don't understand much and we shouldn't allow people to politicize these issues and fundamentally change energy policy.

[Beanz]

So you think continuing to burn fossil fuels is not problematic ?

[IamInuit]

We are going to success ourselves right out of business. Or to be more blunt watch ourselves go into extinction.

[El Kabong]

So you think continuing to burn fossil fuels is not problematic ?

Just take a moment to weigh out the pros and cons of USING the internal combustion engine and NOT UNSING it, there's no feasible/viable alternative that has been suggested by the brainiacs crying about Anthropogenic Global Warming.

We are going to success ourselves right out of business. Or to be more blunt watch ourselves go into extinction.

More people will die in a more horrible fashion if we go the "Green" route than if we go the industrial route. How does medicine get to 3rd world countries? Do they make it there? Do the Greenies carry it over on foot? No PLANES, TRAINS, & AUTOMOBILES are used to deliver goods...but hey the more people that die the less pollution right, I mean we exhale that evil CO2 that's "destroying our climate" so we should just starve people out like Mao or Stalin did and then the Earth will be happy, or better yet how about mass sacrifices to Magna Mater (Mother Earth).....perhaps we can throw some virgins into volcanoes to appease our Earth Mother?

[Beanz]

That is just fucking dumb, aid workers are not the problem, fat lazy cunts and the actual concept of a 'drive in' anything are the problem. If you really believe there is no alternative to a petrol or gas driven combustion engine then you are deluded by your own myopic desire to defend your position in the face of all reason. You are beyond rationality.

[Andre]

So you think continuing to burn fossil fuels is not problematic ?

Just take a moment to weigh out the pros and cons of USING the internal combustion engine and NOT UNSING it, there's no feasible/viable alternative that has been suggested by the brainiacs crying about Anthropogenic Global Warming.

We are going to success ourselves right out of business. Or to be more blunt watch ourselves go into extinction.

More people will die in a more horrible fashion if we go the "Green" route than if we go the industrial route. How does medicine get to 3rd world countries? Do they make it there? Do the Greenies carry it over on foot? No PLANES, TRAINS, & AUTOMOBILES are used to deliver goods...but hey the more people that die the less pollution right, I mean we exhale that evil CO2 that's "destroying our climate" so we should just starve people out like Mao or Stalin did and then the Earth will be happy, or better yet how about mass sacrifices to Magna Mater (Mother Earth).....perhaps we can throw some virgins into volcanoes to appease our Earth Mother?

I have no idea why you choose to run the topic off into ane imaginary dead end away from any validity?

Of course there are alternatives that are workable in the modern world, to bring up horse and cart mentality or go back on foot and try to corner greens that way is cheap sots nearly political like.

#1 Hydrogen engines. (the original one from the 60's from out here in Australia got bought out by BP and shelved). Its was so much of a threat one brother who wouldnt be bought out just went missing the other got a service station.

You can get them these days: But only on a grass roots level they wont be manufacturing cars on mass though and its for none of your reasons stated, its because of petroleum and the world financial games governments and the money markets all have invested there.

You can get change overs though like here.. Hydrogen hybrid Conversion installed in the SF Bay Area for $1600 for most cars and small trucks. These are HOD (hydrogen on demand) nothing is stored. Gas or Diesel on hybrid or not. Plus you get a tax credit for installing hybrid hydrogen upgrades. 35%-60% gains. Talk to @HYBRIDwatercar on twitter or tinyurl.com/waterpowered.

People are lazy though and dont care so long as they are getting along and ends are being met people go with the crowd,me too guilty as charged.


I think the answer always was and forever will be found in Solar Electromagnetic energy and water.

Solar, hydrogen to helium is the answer that is right in front of us and free, but money and petroleum rules mankind for now as does electric light force energy all for sale and all used for control and all are fought over as well.

Its not hard to work out the real why.

It has nothing to do with going back on horse back or sailing from country to country those insinuations are demeaning to the conversation and turn it into an argument instead.

Of course some Chemicals and medicines are for the greater good, as are many modern things but there are limits to how far we can stretch our game before it bites us back.

We lose 30 thousand people per year in Australia just through the wrong drug being prescribed and that is just one area where we have pushed our game to far to fast at our own expense. Same with antibiotics they saved millions now they are over prescribed and are are the cause to why super bugs are now killing us.

The long term answers are never out on the extremes,or found in politics and to argue those sides for the sake of being onside is stupid the answer is balance.

[VictorCharlie]

So you think continuing to burn fossil fuels is not problematic ?

So you think 250 years of fossil fuel use is fundamentally changing what has always been a fluid climate over the last 10 billion years? If it were that simple then AGW proponents models would be able to provide more accurate predictive analysis. I think we should strive to reduce pollution and conserve energy. I think we should dedicate money to continue both renewable energy and climate studies but I don't think we should wreck economies on a theory whose premise is shaky.

[Beanz]

Oh my God!!!! Extra humidity and water vapour! We are all doomed. At least we won't get asthma.

[Andre]

Oh my God!!!! Extra humidity and water vapour! We are all doomed. At least we won't get asthma.

We do love our water sports. < Always wondered when we could use that smiley.

[El Kabong]

Oh my God!!!! Extra humidity and water vapour! We are all doomed. At least we won't get asthma.

Apparently you've never experienced 100% humidity with 90°+ heat. It would KILL YOU gramps

[IamInuit]

Nothing is more empirical then the denial.