Wlad Klitschko is a disgrace....and so is that Ref.

[Mr140]

Ok eric let me ask you this how often do people in boxing get a point deducted for holding i have not seen many of them and i never seen a dq for it. It was a shit fight i wish he got a point taken he might of tried and then just knocked him out but that is just in another world my friend.

[erics44]

Ok eric let me ask you this how often do people in boxing get a point deducted for holding i have not seen many of them and i never seen a dq for it. It was a shit fight i wish he got a point taken he might of tried and then just knocked him out but that is just in another world my friend.

i agree, it doesnt happen enough, but its one thing holding on when you are hurt or every now and again to take a breath but basing your strategy on it is the other world

especially when you are the heavyweight champion

[Mr140]

Dude Ali is considered the greatest fighter of all time and he not as bad as Wald but that guy would hold a guys head to his dick. I mean its in the rules but might as well take it out because no one really seems to care i mean the refs anyway shit happens so much over history of the sport dude.

[Mr140]

Also eric were do you rank Wald just wondering i know don't like his fighting and bait El with it a lot. But i am curse as were do you actually rank Wald and how would he do in any other era. I aks this because pretty sure your opinion wont be to biased actually like to know.

[erics44]

Also eric were do you rank Wald just wondering i know don't like his fighting and bait El with it a lot. But i am curse as were do you actually rank Wald and how would he do in any other era. I aks this because pretty sure your opinion wont be to biased actually like to know.

i wasnt around when ali was around and i havent watched his fights start to finish so i cant really comment on the amount of holding/cheating he did

i also think that ali is considered the greatest because of what he represented as much as his skills in the ring

the first champ that i really watched was tyson and all those since, yes there has always been holding and rule bending in boxing

but i have never seen anything to the extreme of saturday night (and wlads previous fights) and the holding and clinching was extremely extreme

how do you want me to rate wlad? on his achievements? yes he is right up there

i honestly believe fighting within the rules he wouldnt still be champion

[Mr140]

Fair enough i respect that but all greats bend the rules so i am not so sure i can agree with you on that. I mean my favorite fighter is Holyfeild and his best weapon was his head at times but fair enough like the answer. As for the holding i don't think he has ever done it like he did last night watch the guy for a while he most of the time jabs his way to victory and ties up when bummed rushed but i think that is more of size thing. I mean got a fighter you are much bigger then you running in it kinda makes for awkward scene.

[erics44]

Fair enough i respect that but all greats bend the rules so i am not so sure i can agree with you on that. I mean my favorite fighter is Holyfeild and his best weapon was his head at times but fair enough like the answer. As for the holding i don't think he has ever done it like he did last night watch the guy for a while he most of the time jabs his way to victory and ties up when bummed rushed but i think that is more of size thing. I mean got a fighter you are much bigger then you running in it kinda makes for awkward scene.

mate his size is a big asset and he could be a great fighter

if you take away or even half the holding he wouldnt have had things even nearly as comfortable as he has in his previous fights

also the HW division would have been much more entertaining over the last 6 or whatever years