Wlad Klitschko is a disgrace....and so is that Ref.

[Mr140]

Been a lot of guys that are big like Wlad over the years but they never amounted to much i say he is pretty skilled also don't think this division is as poor as people think. With out the Brothers i think fights be more competitive and people would think division was better. Also take away Ali speed or Foreman's power and they would not be shit either size is the same way dude its a gift like speed and power is. Well see what happens when he is gone i mean the guy is like 37 now not sure how long he will go for.

[erics44]

Been a lot of guys that are big like Wlad over the years but they never amounted to much i say he is pretty skilled also don't think this division is as poor as people think. With out the Brothers i think fights be more competitive and people would think division was better. Also take away Ali speed or Foreman's power and they would not be shit either size is the same way dude its a gift like speed and power is. Well see what happens when he is gone i mean the guy is like 37 now not sure how long he will go for.

i have no quarms with vitalis fighting style

and i agree, without them the division would look better

But wlad is still champ and still dominates because of his clinching, so if wlad fought within the rules theres a lot more chance of him being in competative fights and we would have a better HW division

i kind of agree with chisora, build some sort of HW tournament away from germany, get these fighters earning the type of money that would draw the wlad away from him comforts and his ref, i think within a couple of fights he would be beaten

i know its a pipe dream and would never happen

[El Kabong]

i have no quarms with vitalis fighting style

and i agree, without them the division would look better

But wlad is still champ and still dominates because of his clinching, so if wlad fought within the rules theres a lot more chance of him being in competative fights and we would have a better HW division

i kind of agree with chisora, build some sort of HW tournament away from germany, get these fighters earning the type of money that would draw the wlad away from him comforts and his ref, i think within a couple of fights he would be beaten

i know its a pipe dream and would never happen

What the frosty fuck is a "quarm"?

[Spicoli]

All fighters hold. Vary few turn into a complete drunken drape ape by choice. It's even worse when you know he could legitimately hurt him badly and land clean KDs as early as the 3rd.

[Fenster]

If his size wasn't a major advantage why did he spend half the fight hanging off Povetkins back? His size means he can get away with constant fouls. A size advantage is not comparable with speed or power. Especially when you consider all divisions.

[Mr140]

Yea but this is not any other division fenster it is hw division size is like speed or power. Last night was bad but most of the time Wald does not hold as much and just jabs his way to victory. I mean hw are different because there is no limit and pretty much not many old timers would have pray in this shit division. Meaning most fighters from the 60's back would have a problem today because of the size. Also eric Wlad completely out boxed Haye with not much clinching and he is pretty much best opponent for Wald. Who are these people that are going to beat him i am just wondering keep saying he would lose i don't think so at all see no proof of it. I mean he clinches at times in his fights but most of them just kinda backs off and jabs away and knocks them out, it seems now he really just does not care and above the rest to much for someone to come in and change it up and really make a fight out of it.

[erics44]

Yea but this is not any other division fenster it is hw division size is like speed or power. Last night was bad but most of the time Wald does not hold as much and just jabs his way to victory. I mean hw are different because there is no limit and pretty much not many old timers would have pray in this shit division. Meaning most fighters from the 60's back would have a problem today because of the size. Also eric Wlad completely out boxed Haye with not much cliching and he is pretty much best test for Wald. Who are these people that are going to beat me i am just wondering keep saying he would lose i don't think so at all see no proof of it. I mean he clinches at times in his fights but most of them just kinda backs off and jabs away and knocks them out, it seems now he really just does not care and above the rest to much for someone to come in and change it up and really make a fight out of it.

it doesn't matter if he jabs more than he holds, holding isn't in the rules

watch wlads last 10 fights, see if you can find 1 fight where he holds less than 5 times in any one round

that means in his last 10 fights he was jabbing a lot perhaps but he also should have been DQd by round 2 in every one of them

mate, you seem quite reasonable but you are obviously happy with what happened on saturday night, but the one fact in all this is wlads whole strategy is based on holding which is against the rules

take the holding out of his game and its very possible, in fact very probably, he wouldn't be the HW champ anymore

his reign is a farce

[Mr140]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

[Fenster]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

Mills Lane DQ'd Akinwande against Lewis for constant holding. It was shocking. Nearly as bad as Wlad's

[ryanman]

I haven't read through the thread so apologies in advance...

Firstly, I'm one of the rare few that generally speaking enjoys Wlad's fights. I actually enjoy his methodical domination and appreciate how his seemingly simple style nullifies every challenger.
That said, this fight was garbage. BUT, I don't put 1% of the blame for that on Wlad. If he can get away with it, and it makes it easier for him, he's going to do it. Who wouldn't?? Boxing first and foremost is about winning. There is no fighter in history that would purposely make a fight harder for himself when the ref is letting him make it easy. As a champion you should adapt to a few things, namely; the opponents strengths/weaknesses, the rules/customs/circumstances of the location of the fight and the nature and performance of the referee. You can't blame Wlad for doing that.

By the way-props to Povetkin for his heart and his will to win. If everyone took his attitude into the ring against Wlad we'd have a few interesting fights.

[ryanman]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

Mills Lane DQ'd Akinwande against Lewis for constant holding. It was shocking. Nearly as bad as Wlad's

Tongue in cheek I know but noone had ever held as much as Akinwande.

[erics44]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

Mills Lane DQ'd Akinwande against Lewis for constant holding. It was shocking. Nearly as bad as Wlad's

I don't agree, it wasn't even close

Richie davies DQd matthew barney for holding, that wasn't even close either

[Beanflicker]

it doesn't matter if he jabs more than he holds, holding isn't in the rules

Yeah but lets be real here, clinching is a HUGE part of boxing. In fact, there have been countless fighters throughout history who have been BASHED because they didn't know how to properly clinch and tie up an opponent when they needed to (Tommy Hearns springs to mind).

I'm not trying to defend Wlad's excessive holding, because it was just that: excessive. But he didn't do anything I haven't seen other world class vets like Floyd, BHop, Ali, ect doing before.

Also, I don't know why people are letting Povetkin skate on this. He was initiating plenty of holding in the mid and later rounds as he got tired.

[El Kabong]

I see none of the people yammering on about how important RULES are giving Anthony Joshua any grief over his holding and hitting


So what's the deal fellas, do you not care because he's British

[jon09]

It might not have been the best performance by Wlad but all the greats have had there fair share of stinkers as well. Tyson would hold alot especially in his later career as would Lewis who did the same tactics against Tua as well. Wlad is entitled to have stinkers now and again but with a record of 61-3- 53 kos and an iffy chin all the complainers will tune in to watch him again mark my words.