Wlad Klitschko is a disgrace....and so is that Ref.

[erics44]

Yea but this is not any other division fenster it is hw division size is like speed or power. Last night was bad but most of the time Wald does not hold as much and just jabs his way to victory. I mean hw are different because there is no limit and pretty much not many old timers would have pray in this shit division. Meaning most fighters from the 60's back would have a problem today because of the size. Also eric Wlad completely out boxed Haye with not much cliching and he is pretty much best test for Wald. Who are these people that are going to beat me i am just wondering keep saying he would lose i don't think so at all see no proof of it. I mean he clinches at times in his fights but most of them just kinda backs off and jabs away and knocks them out, it seems now he really just does not care and above the rest to much for someone to come in and change it up and really make a fight out of it.

it doesn't matter if he jabs more than he holds, holding isn't in the rules

watch wlads last 10 fights, see if you can find 1 fight where he holds less than 5 times in any one round

that means in his last 10 fights he was jabbing a lot perhaps but he also should have been DQd by round 2 in every one of them

mate, you seem quite reasonable but you are obviously happy with what happened on saturday night, but the one fact in all this is wlads whole strategy is based on holding which is against the rules

take the holding out of his game and its very possible, in fact very probably, he wouldn't be the HW champ anymore

his reign is a farce

[Mr140]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

[Fenster]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

Mills Lane DQ'd Akinwande against Lewis for constant holding. It was shocking. Nearly as bad as Wlad's

[ryanman]

I haven't read through the thread so apologies in advance...

Firstly, I'm one of the rare few that generally speaking enjoys Wlad's fights. I actually enjoy his methodical domination and appreciate how his seemingly simple style nullifies every challenger.
That said, this fight was garbage. BUT, I don't put 1% of the blame for that on Wlad. If he can get away with it, and it makes it easier for him, he's going to do it. Who wouldn't?? Boxing first and foremost is about winning. There is no fighter in history that would purposely make a fight harder for himself when the ref is letting him make it easy. As a champion you should adapt to a few things, namely; the opponents strengths/weaknesses, the rules/customs/circumstances of the location of the fight and the nature and performance of the referee. You can't blame Wlad for doing that.

By the way-props to Povetkin for his heart and his will to win. If everyone took his attitude into the ring against Wlad we'd have a few interesting fights.

[ryanman]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

Mills Lane DQ'd Akinwande against Lewis for constant holding. It was shocking. Nearly as bad as Wlad's

Tongue in cheek I know but noone had ever held as much as Akinwande.

[palmerq]

Not great from wladimir but he would have been a mug to just let povetking dive in like he was doing and wrap himself around klitschko and hit his body.. He needs to stop pushing/throwing people over... that out of order :S amazingly strong fellow though to throw people with such ease

[erics44]

No one has ever been dqed from my knowledge for holding though eric hardly even points are taken. I mean it even says may result in getting a point taken away in rules if you read them. Holding is a part of boxing dude its been in ever fight i have seen last night was bad night but come on last 10 aren't bad.

Mills Lane DQ'd Akinwande against Lewis for constant holding. It was shocking. Nearly as bad as Wlad's

I don't agree, it wasn't even close

Richie davies DQd matthew barney for holding, that wasn't even close either

[Beanflicker]

it doesn't matter if he jabs more than he holds, holding isn't in the rules

Yeah but lets be real here, clinching is a HUGE part of boxing. In fact, there have been countless fighters throughout history who have been BASHED because they didn't know how to properly clinch and tie up an opponent when they needed to (Tommy Hearns springs to mind).

I'm not trying to defend Wlad's excessive holding, because it was just that: excessive. But he didn't do anything I haven't seen other world class vets like Floyd, BHop, Ali, ect doing before.

Also, I don't know why people are letting Povetkin skate on this. He was initiating plenty of holding in the mid and later rounds as he got tired.

[El Kabong]

I see none of the people yammering on about how important RULES are giving Anthony Joshua any grief over his holding and hitting


So what's the deal fellas, do you not care because he's British

[jon09]

It might not have been the best performance by Wlad but all the greats have had there fair share of stinkers as well. Tyson would hold alot especially in his later career as would Lewis who did the same tactics against Tua as well. Wlad is entitled to have stinkers now and again but with a record of 61-3- 53 kos and an iffy chin all the complainers will tune in to watch him again mark my words.

[ninjaspy3]

I'm supporting Erics on this one.

I try to be objective. There are fighters who sometimes do their fair share of holding or even "running" but it is usually done to make up for something they lack. Mayweather isn't a powerful puncher for example, and his opponents usually out weigh him. Andre Ward also doesn't have the power. Hopkins is old. But Wlad? Wlad is big, strong, has good reach, good speed, and good power, and is still young enough. His advantages FAR outweighed those of his opponent Povetkin. Wlad didn't need to hold because he had so many other physical advantages he could have used and it is frustrating to see him rely on clinching when he could have strategically taken a step or two back and pumped the jab more. Wlad didn't have all that much to fear from Povetkin's punch power as Povetkin is not a hard puncher. It was simply unnecessary and ruined a fight that Wlad could have won in exciting fasion. I mean, how many advatages does a guy need before he feels free to mix it up? Come on Wlad! Such a performance is beneath you and most of us realize this.

Goodness, I hope Wlad doesn't resort to this exessive clinching again or I'm going to lose hope.

[El Kabong]

If you want to call it boring call it boring fair enough, but enough of the "Well those were fouls" because if they're fouls now where were they during Lennox Lewis' reign?

[Rantcatrat]

If you want to call it boring call it boring fair enough, but enough of the "Well those were fouls" because if they're fouls now where were they during Lennox Lewis' reign?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Holding is a foul under the rules. Pabon dropped the ball last Saturday for allowing Wlad to do it all night. He should have stopped it earlier.

[Memphis]

If you want to call it boring call it boring fair enough, but enough of the "Well those were fouls" because if they're fouls now where were they during Lennox Lewis' reign?

Lennox Lewis got his fair share of shit for hitting and holding when he did it. If it feels magnified in Wlads case thats because he does it a whole lot more.

I dont remember Lennox Lewis ever grabbing off a jab, or sometimes dispensing with the jab and just stumbling forward to grab a guy for no particular reason whatsoever.

[erics44]

If you want to call it boring call it boring fair enough, but enough of the "Well those were fouls" because if they're fouls now where were they during Lennox Lewis' reign?

this is true

and alis reign and everyone elses reign, holding has always been a foul

181 clinches in a 12 round fight, fuck me