Name a Dempsey/Marciano/Liston/Foreman fight as boring as Klit

[erics44]

I don't mind when Wlad wins boring, but when he wins UGLY with holding/forearms/elbows/throwing/ect, that's not great to watch...

Like I said before I admire Wlad's skill and technical abilities. While I'd much rather watch a Gatti fight, I understand that fighting like Gatti is not conducive to having a long career or a high quality of life when you retire. So avoid punches, but do so with your technique, not by grabbing and wrestling.

You've boxed before right?

To avoid punches tall fighters fight tall, small fighters fight small, when you get 2 fighters who do those things effectively you're not going to have a fluid bout. Flaws make fights fun, not perfection. I'm NOT calling Wlad or Povetkin perfect mind you, but as 2 cerebral fighters they were using as much as they could (legally even pushing the envelope with the ref). Wlad stands up tall when he fights, if he's out of position to be on the offensive he's going to look to put his chin (which everyone says is glass) somewhere safe....where is safer than behind Povektin's back? Povetkin looking to slip and weave his way inside also looked for some shelter from punches....where better to put your head than to Klitschko's back....granted Wlad leaned over in an attempt to still be able to punch Alexander, but that was the case throughout the fight. It was 2 guys who were trying to hit and not get hit and styles make fights sometimes bad ones. Could Povetkin have done more to deal with Wlad's holding? Maybe, maybe not. Povetkin used solid footwork, but he needed to open himself up more to land something serious and the second he did that he was going to get hit as we all saw with the short hooks Wlad was landing.

By no stretch of the imagination am I ever saying the fight was great, no Wlad won which in the end is all that matters. That's not me as a fan of Wlad's saying that it's just a fact, his record WAS 60-3-0 and after the fight it's 61-3-0. It was just another win.

not within the rules tho, thats the issue

i wonder what wlads record would be if he fought within the rules

i wonder if he would even still be fighting

[El Kabong]

not within the rules tho, thats the issue

i wonder what wlads record would be if he fought within the rules

i wonder if he would even still be fighting

It's only a foul when the ref calls it....are you Brits retarded when it comes to refereeing I'm starting to think so.

Fenster, again, READING COMPREHENSION, nobody is saying "Say Wlad and Lennox are equals" only they have more similar styles of fighting. Comparing Wlad & Lennox is more appropriate than Wlad & Marciano. So one making an argument can say "Lewis has a whole bunch of explosive performances against top world-class dangerous punchers, Wlad has none" and it be more of an apples to apples comparison and one I'm more willing to accept seeing how they're both big, both trained by Manny Steward, etc..if you're going to get offended by something at the very least allow me to call you a cunt beforehand.

[erics44]

not within the rules tho, thats the issue

i wonder what wlads record would be if he fought within the rules

i wonder if he would even still be fighting

It's only a foul when the ref calls it....are you Brits retarded when it comes to refereeing I'm starting to think so.

Fenster, again, READING COMPREHENSION, nobody is saying "Say Wlad and Lennox are equals" only they have more similar styles of fighting. Comparing Wlad & Lennox is more appropriate than Wlad & Marciano. So one making an argument can say "Lewis has a whole bunch of explosive performances against top world-class dangerous punchers, Wlad has none" and it be more of an apples to apples comparison and one I'm more willing to accept seeing how they're both big, both trained by Manny Steward, etc..if you're going to get offended by something at the very least allow me to call you a cunt beforehand.

it was funny on the other thread when i read it first

and the next bit about brits and reffing adds to the humour

it makes me laugh on this forum when a couple of boxing fans have a disagreement and one of them says "you know nothing about boxing", i dont know if you noticed but it giggle at it all the time

on this occasion dude im backed into a corner, ive got nowhere else to go with you, but if you are honestly of the view that wlad should not of been called for the fouls on saturday night then you either dont know anything about boxing or there is some other mental issue

[El Kabong]

it was funny on the other thread when i read it first

and the next bit about brits and reffing adds to the humour

it makes me laugh on this forum when a couple of boxing fans have a disagreement and one of them says "you know nothing about boxing", i dont know if you noticed but it giggle at it all the time

on this occasion dude im backed into a corner, ive got nowhere else to go with you, but if you are honestly of the view that wlad should not of been called for the fouls on saturday night then you either dont know anything about boxing or there is some other mental issue

The Brits DO love to complain about refs Joe Cortez apparently allowed "too little" holding (in Hatton-Mayweather) for your tastes and Luis Pabon has now allowed "too much" in this fight. Here's the deal, PROFESSIONAL BOXERS are going to have to deal with some refs who call fights more by the book than others, it's something you just have to go with the flow about. Povetkin and his team surely knew what they were in store for from Wladimir, I mean they only had 63 fights of his to watch. Surely Team Povetkin was informed about the ref, certainly they talked pre-fight and voiced any concerns about Wladimir's tactics. Once in the ring and seeing that's you're not getting calls if you thought they were fouls, there's little you can do but ADJUST YOUR GAMEPLAN.

erics44, you box do you not? Do you cry about the refs you get this much or do you say "Fuck it I'm going to try to win the fight regardless of what the ref does"?

Povetkin said "It was a fair fight"

What more do you want? Pabon called the fight the way he saw fit, if you don't like it then go become a ref and call the fights differently yourself.

I've not accused anyone of "knowing nothing about boxing", I just question everyone's grasp on reality if they expect perfection from authority figures in anything. In sport or work or anything....don't rely on someone else to do your job for you. Povetkin's job was to win the fight, the fans blame the ref, Povetkin blames himself.

[erics44]

it was funny on the other thread when i read it first

and the next bit about brits and reffing adds to the humour

it makes me laugh on this forum when a couple of boxing fans have a disagreement and one of them says "you know nothing about boxing", i dont know if you noticed but it giggle at it all the time

on this occasion dude im backed into a corner, ive got nowhere else to go with you, but if you are honestly of the view that wlad should not of been called for the fouls on saturday night then you either dont know anything about boxing or there is some other mental issue

The Brits DO love to complain about refs Joe Cortez apparently allowed "too little" holding (in Hatton-Mayweather) for your tastes and Luis Pabon has now allowed "too much" in this fight. Here's the deal, PROFESSIONAL BOXERS are going to have to deal with some refs who call fights more by the book than others, it's something you just have to go with the flow about. Povetkin and his team surely knew what they were in store for from Wladimir, I mean they only had 63 fights of his to watch. Surely Team Povetkin was informed about the ref, certainly they talked pre-fight and voiced any concerns about Wladimir's tactics. Once in the ring and seeing that's you're not getting calls if you thought they were fouls, there's little you can do but ADJUST YOUR GAMEPLAN.

erics44, you box do you not? Do you cry about the refs you get this much or do you say "Fuck it I'm going to try to win the fight regardless of what the ref does"?

Povetkin said "It was a fair fight"

What more do you want? Pabon called the fight the way he saw fit, if you don't like it then go become a ref and call the fights differently yourself.

I've not accused anyone of "knowing nothing about boxing", I just question everyone's grasp on reality if they expect perfection from authority figures in anything. In sport or work or anything....don't rely on someone else to do your job for you. Povetkin's job was to win the fight, the fans blame the ref, Povetkin blames himself.

i watched the fight, it wasnt a fair fight

i am amazed anyone who watched it would agree that wlad followed the rules of boxing, and that the refferee was being fair

obviously someone who didnt know anything about boxing and had only ever watched wlad fights might agree his ability to hold on was amazing and within the rules

in fact his ability to hold on was amazing, it just isnt within the rules

and wlad is so good at holding on (which isnt in the rules by the way) that is very difficult for any fighter to change his game plan and avoid the clinching and hugging and holding on and leaning and grabbing and cuddling

[El Kabong]

it was funny on the other thread when i read it first

and the next bit about brits and reffing adds to the humour

it makes me laugh on this forum when a couple of boxing fans have a disagreement and one of them says "you know nothing about boxing", i dont know if you noticed but it giggle at it all the time

on this occasion dude im backed into a corner, ive got nowhere else to go with you, but if you are honestly of the view that wlad should not of been called for the fouls on saturday night then you either dont know anything about boxing or there is some other mental issue

The Brits DO love to complain about refs Joe Cortez apparently allowed "too little" holding (in Hatton-Mayweather) for your tastes and Luis Pabon has now allowed "too much" in this fight. Here's the deal, PROFESSIONAL BOXERS are going to have to deal with some refs who call fights more by the book than others, it's something you just have to go with the flow about. Povetkin and his team surely knew what they were in store for from Wladimir, I mean they only had 63 fights of his to watch. Surely Team Povetkin was informed about the ref, certainly they talked pre-fight and voiced any concerns about Wladimir's tactics. Once in the ring and seeing that's you're not getting calls if you thought they were fouls, there's little you can do but ADJUST YOUR GAMEPLAN.

erics44, you box do you not? Do you cry about the refs you get this much or do you say "Fuck it I'm going to try to win the fight regardless of what the ref does"?

Povetkin said "It was a fair fight"

What more do you want? Pabon called the fight the way he saw fit, if you don't like it then go become a ref and call the fights differently yourself.

I've not accused anyone of "knowing nothing about boxing", I just question everyone's grasp on reality if they expect perfection from authority figures in anything. In sport or work or anything....don't rely on someone else to do your job for you. Povetkin's job was to win the fight, the fans blame the ref, Povetkin blames himself.

i watched the fight, it wasnt a fair fight

i am amazed anyone who watched it would agree that wlad followed the rules of boxing, and that the refferee was being fair

obviously someone who didnt know anything about boxing and had only ever watched wlad fights might agree his ability to hold on was amazing and within the rules

in fact his ability to hold on was amazing, it just isnt within the rules

and wlad is so good at holding on (which isnt in the rules by the way) that is very difficult for any fighter to change his game plan and avoid the clinching and hugging and holding on and leaning and grabbing and cuddling

If the ref doesn't call a foul then there is no foul....it is just that simple. Wlad didn't look to the ref when Sam Peter clocked him behind the head a few times, he just got up and dealt with the reality of the situation. When life gives you lemons you make lemonade. When a ref isn't calling fouls, and you as a fighter think you're being fouled then FOUL BACK. Make the ref address the issue or just accept defeat. You're advocating that everyone just accept defeat because you say Wlad is so good at what he does...well then I guess he'll be champ for a long time coming

[Spicoli]

Well, The Foreman "five" was pretty much a total staged farce.

But I wouldn't trade one Foreman-Lyle for a lifetime of Wladimir Clinchko frankly.

[erics44]

it was funny on the other thread when i read it first

and the next bit about brits and reffing adds to the humour

it makes me laugh on this forum when a couple of boxing fans have a disagreement and one of them says "you know nothing about boxing", i dont know if you noticed but it giggle at it all the time

on this occasion dude im backed into a corner, ive got nowhere else to go with you, but if you are honestly of the view that wlad should not of been called for the fouls on saturday night then you either dont know anything about boxing or there is some other mental issue

The Brits DO love to complain about refs Joe Cortez apparently allowed "too little" holding (in Hatton-Mayweather) for your tastes and Luis Pabon has now allowed "too much" in this fight. Here's the deal, PROFESSIONAL BOXERS are going to have to deal with some refs who call fights more by the book than others, it's something you just have to go with the flow about. Povetkin and his team surely knew what they were in store for from Wladimir, I mean they only had 63 fights of his to watch. Surely Team Povetkin was informed about the ref, certainly they talked pre-fight and voiced any concerns about Wladimir's tactics. Once in the ring and seeing that's you're not getting calls if you thought they were fouls, there's little you can do but ADJUST YOUR GAMEPLAN.

erics44, you box do you not? Do you cry about the refs you get this much or do you say "Fuck it I'm going to try to win the fight regardless of what the ref does"?

Povetkin said "It was a fair fight"

What more do you want? Pabon called the fight the way he saw fit, if you don't like it then go become a ref and call the fights differently yourself.

I've not accused anyone of "knowing nothing about boxing", I just question everyone's grasp on reality if they expect perfection from authority figures in anything. In sport or work or anything....don't rely on someone else to do your job for you. Povetkin's job was to win the fight, the fans blame the ref, Povetkin blames himself.

i watched the fight, it wasnt a fair fight

i am amazed anyone who watched it would agree that wlad followed the rules of boxing, and that the refferee was being fair

obviously someone who didnt know anything about boxing and had only ever watched wlad fights might agree his ability to hold on was amazing and within the rules

in fact his ability to hold on was amazing, it just isnt within the rules

and wlad is so good at holding on (which isnt in the rules by the way) that is very difficult for any fighter to change his game plan and avoid the clinching and hugging and holding on and leaning and grabbing and cuddling

If the ref doesn't call a foul then there is no foul....it is just that simple. Wlad didn't look to the ref when Sam Peter clocked him behind the head a few times, he just got up and dealt with the reality of the situation. When life gives you lemons you make lemonade. When a ref isn't calling fouls, and you as a fighter think you're being fouled then FOUL BACK. Make the ref address the issue or just accept defeat. You're advocating that everyone just accept defeat because you say Wlad is so good at what he does...well then I guess he'll be champ for a long time coming

I don't think youre stupid enough to believe that that ref doesn't ref all of wlads fight for a very good reason, are you?

[Fenster]

not within the rules tho, thats the issue

i wonder what wlads record would be if he fought within the rules

i wonder if he would even still be fighting

It's only a foul when the ref calls it....are you Brits retarded when it comes to refereeing I'm starting to think so.

Fenster, again, READING COMPREHENSION, nobody is saying "Say Wlad and Lennox are equals" only they have more similar styles of fighting. Comparing Wlad & Lennox is more appropriate than Wlad & Marciano. So one making an argument can say "Lewis has a whole bunch of explosive performances against top world-class dangerous punchers, Wlad has none" and it be more of an apples to apples comparison and one I'm more willing to accept seeing how they're both big, both trained by Manny Steward, etc..if you're going to get offended by something at the very least allow me to call you a cunt beforehand.

OK, I agree, comparing Wlad with Lennox makes more sense than comparing him with Marciano or Dempsey. But Henry Akinwande is surely a far better comparison than Lewis? Both huge guys, liked to spoil and hold, always in dull fights.

Feel free to call me a cunt. I am one of the biggest still breathing.