Trinidad, DLH, and Calzaghe likely to be inducted into HOF in 2014

[Violent Demise]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

better them than a guy who played a boxer in a movie, I'd rather have the guy who leaves it all in the ring than some two bit actor or guy who never even stepped into the ring

and I don't mean any little upset, I mean as in literally a historic upset that changed history in the sport, like Buster Douglas' win over Tyson

[Violent Demise]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like the Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

better them than a guy who played a boxer in a movie, I'd rather have the guy who leaves it all in the ring than some two bit actor or guy who never even stepped into the ring

and I don't mean any little upset, I mean as in literally a historic upset that changed history in the sport, like Buster Douglas' win over Tyson

Buster Douglas in the HOF? That's just not right. Plus it'll lead to Hasim Rahman and Leon Spinks trying to get in the same way. Shit if I'm Antonio Tarver I'm pumping up the Jones win to get entry. I can just imagine ridiculousness of Kirkland Laing and Lloyd Honeyghan doing the same

I don't mind Stallone in the HOF cuz he didn't go in as an actual participant of the sport.

[greynotsoold]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

[IamInuit]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

Side with VD here. That's the trouble with the place. It may not be The Hall of Perfection but it should not be The Hall of Mediocrity either.

[Violent Demise]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

And you think we need more?

[greynotsoold]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

And you think we need more?

No. The HoF should mean something, not just that 5 guys every year get in. I don't even think Little Red lopez belongs and that was my first boxing hero.

[Violent Demise]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

And you think we need more?

No. The HoF should mean something, not just that 5 guys every year get in. I don't even think Little Red lopez belongs and that was my first boxing hero.

No he does not. He along with Ken Norton, Jeff Fenech, Barry McGuigan and Abe Attell would be the first muthafukkas I would throw out

[greynotsoold]

And Johannsson, and Patterson, and Max Baer. Why is Jack Sharkey in there?

[IamInuit]

And Johannsson, and Patterson, and Max Baer. Why is Jack Sharkey in there?

True enough. Historical significance does seem to play a role but Sharkey really does not even meet that requirement.

I like the way Groves put it from Ring. He wrote it prior to the inductions for 2012.

Since this scribe became an elector for the Hall's Modern category in 2001, a disturbing trend has developed: A vast majority of the 43 names that were present then remain so 11 years later. That means the electors have already made up their minds on the candidacies of many of them, including Georgie Abrams, Horacio Accavallo, Joey Archer, Jose Beccera, Johnny Bratton, Jimmy Carruthers, Hiroyuki Ebihara, Tommy Farr, Tiger Jack Fox, Ceferino Garcia, Al Hostak, Harry Jeffra, Peter Kane, Pone Kingpetch, Tippy Larkin, Raul Macias, Freddie Mills, Rinty Monaghan, Ken Overlin, Gustave Roth, Lou Salica, Dave Sands, Pete Scalzo, Yoshio Shirai and Kid Tunero,

If the majority of voters believe these 25 men weren't worthy of enshrinement this many years in a row, it's very unlikely they'll experience a sudden and collective change of heart when fresh names like Oscar de la Hoya, Felix Trinidad, Arturo Gatti, Joe Calzaghe and Virgil Hill get their first crack before the voters in the next couple of years.