Trinidad, DLH, and Calzaghe likely to be inducted into HOF in 2014

[Violent Demise]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

And you think we need more?

[greynotsoold]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

And you think we need more?

No. The HoF should mean something, not just that 5 guys every year get in. I don't even think Little Red lopez belongs and that was my first boxing hero.

[Violent Demise]

Lets all keep in mind that the only criteria the HOF seems to have is that there is no criteria. At times it has seemed all you needed was a belt and at other times tin collecting had nothing to do with it. What they should do at least is up the year in which the modern era starts. 70 years is a bit much. Countless fighters have either been ignored or passed over since 1943.

And based on some standards today or what ones are placed on fighters by the fickle fans half of that hall from pioneers forward would be emptied out.

Its the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Perfection.

IMO it should be based on their REAL resume, or a significant impact in the sport be it a devastating upset or specific fight, for example a Fight of the Decade type fight like Gatti/Ward, but agree that just picking up meaningless trinkets shouldn't get you in

So if a mediocre fighter has a fight of the decade type fight or scores an unexpected upset he should be in the HOF?

That is pretty much already the case. Johannsson? Norton is only in for breaking Ali's jaw; his career record against top 10 fighters was 4-8-1.

And you think we need more?

No. The HoF should mean something, not just that 5 guys every year get in. I don't even think Little Red lopez belongs and that was my first boxing hero.

No he does not. He along with Ken Norton, Jeff Fenech, Barry McGuigan and Abe Attell would be the first muthafukkas I would throw out

[greynotsoold]

And Johannsson, and Patterson, and Max Baer. Why is Jack Sharkey in there?

[IamInuit]

And Johannsson, and Patterson, and Max Baer. Why is Jack Sharkey in there?

True enough. Historical significance does seem to play a role but Sharkey really does not even meet that requirement.

I like the way Groves put it from Ring. He wrote it prior to the inductions for 2012.

Since this scribe became an elector for the Hall's Modern category in 2001, a disturbing trend has developed: A vast majority of the 43 names that were present then remain so 11 years later. That means the electors have already made up their minds on the candidacies of many of them, including Georgie Abrams, Horacio Accavallo, Joey Archer, Jose Beccera, Johnny Bratton, Jimmy Carruthers, Hiroyuki Ebihara, Tommy Farr, Tiger Jack Fox, Ceferino Garcia, Al Hostak, Harry Jeffra, Peter Kane, Pone Kingpetch, Tippy Larkin, Raul Macias, Freddie Mills, Rinty Monaghan, Ken Overlin, Gustave Roth, Lou Salica, Dave Sands, Pete Scalzo, Yoshio Shirai and Kid Tunero,

If the majority of voters believe these 25 men weren't worthy of enshrinement this many years in a row, it's very unlikely they'll experience a sudden and collective change of heart when fresh names like Oscar de la Hoya, Felix Trinidad, Arturo Gatti, Joe Calzaghe and Virgil Hill get their first crack before the voters in the next couple of years.

[brocktonblockbust]

the only HW boxers worthy of being in the HOF are:

James J Braddock
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Michael Spinks
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis

[brocktonblockbust]

I get a bit annoyed always hearing Calzaghe mouthing off even to this day. he seems very bitter and I remember when he got busted by the newspapers in a cocaine scandal, he was recorded slating hatton and lennox lewis, claiming he was better than them. A lot of when we talk about him is reduced to "what if" because he didn't face everyone he should of and that's his own fault. he didn't want to travel and he didn't want hard fights....that's from his own mouth. I ADMIT he was an awesome talent and one of the best around at the time, but his resume' is not as great as it could have been. With all due respect I feel like Joe padded his record and faced a lot of journeymen.

[powerpuncher]

the only HW boxers worthy of being in the HOF are:

James J Braddock
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Michael Spinks
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis

braddock in no way deserves to be in there. he is one of the worse HW champions ever and was an alright LHW. thats why it was such a big deal that he beat baer. the others i would agree but i would add few like sullivan (because of his place in history alone), jim jeffries, tunney, and ezzard charles. maybe walcott too.

[ElTerribleMorales]

the only HW boxers worthy of being in the HOF are:

James J Braddock
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Michael Spinks
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis

if you have Braddock and Spinks (due to HW), then how the hell wouldn't you have Frazier on there?

[Violent Demise]

the only HW boxers worthy of being in the HOF are:

James J Braddock
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Michael Spinks
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis

Spinks heavyweight career is so overrated. It's pretty much build off 2 gift wins over Holmes.