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[walrus]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written close to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

[Andre]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

[walrus]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

Thanks, I expected the usual "bunch of pedophiles" response. I am interested to hear what it is you do. I don't like to come here and argue of these matters as I enjoy the boxing aspects and the too and fro on the serious stuff takes away from the enjoyment. On a positive side, the arguments about boxing, nationalities and other matters around here are priceless. Some of the funniest things I've come across.

[walrus]

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

Thanks, I expected the usual "bunch of pedophiles" response. I am interested to hear what it is you do. I don't like to come here and argue of these matters as I enjoy the boxing aspects and the too and fro on the serious stuff takes away from the enjoyment. On a positive side, the arguments about boxing, nationalities and other matters around here are priceless. Some of the funniest things I've come across.

Actually, I can be arguing prick just as much as the next guy, I think I'm just mellow lately.

[Gandalf]

I saw on the news that the authorites found drugs on the ship. Not weed, but seemingly harder stuff. If this is true, then they are a bunch of dumb bastards. I've nothing against the use of drugs, but there is a time and place.

[SugarBoxing]

He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven …”

I am glad that you dig for understanding, but you take stuff out of context again
The first principle is that God favors and respects faith, not person in the first place
If stone could produce faith - he would put them above us.

That quote was referring to the end times if I am not mistaken

[Andre]

Im not one to usually put scripture in here but you need to re read it after saying I have it out of context.

To the rest of you here, apologies: Im not going to make a habit of entering scripture into a thread.Its just I have been to bible college in the past and have done the study as have a couple of others here.

Here is the whole thing script for you so you can re study either side of the one line I suggested that you take on board in regards to judgment of the ones down the hole, so to speak.

It is about judgment of others, it is about action and about doing the will of God above mere talking ,spiritual work opposing demons or preaching to others whats right and wrong.

You can tell them by their fruits, is saying you can tell who is who by their works,by what they produce in life.

It says dont preach at others in judgment of them or you will be judged by the same rod you hold over them.

The only part that could be thought to about to be anything to do with end times (as you have stated) is the bit about entering into heaven.

But we all know that the same book also states 'The kingdom of heaven is within'.

That verse also goes onto say: those types who say "low it is here or it is there" are the same talkers,controllers and judgmental types and know not that it is within because they point to it being external and lead others astray.

Anyway here it is in full for you to re study.



1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



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[SugarBoxing]

What is your question actually?
Lets define what do you refer to as "judgement"

[walrus]

Im not one to usually put scripture in here but you need to re read it after saying I have it out of context.

To the rest of you here, apologies: Im not going to make a habit of entering scripture into a thread.Its just I have been to bible college in the past and have done the study as have a couple of others here.

Here is the whole thing script for you so you can re study either side of the one line I suggested that you take on board in regards to judgment of the ones down the hole, so to speak.

It is about judgment of others, it is about action and about doing the will of God above mere talking ,spiritual work opposing demons or preaching to others whats right and wrong.

You can tell them by their fruits, is saying you can tell who is who by their works,by what they produce in life.

It says dont preach at others in judgment of them or you will be judged by the same rod you hold over them.

The only part that could be thought to about to be anything to do with end times (as you have stated) is the bit about entering into heaven.

But we all know that the same book also states 'The kingdom of heaven is within'.

That verse also goes onto say: those types who say "low it is here or it is there" are the same talkers,controllers and judgmental types and know not that it is within because they point to it being external and lead others astray.

Anyway here it is in full for you to re study.



1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



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These are amongst my favorite quotes. I use number six quite often when I get in a heated discussions at times. Even for the non believers there is profound thought in the Bible.

[Andre]

We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




Greenpeace UK

You are bunch of hypocrites
I wish these GREENPEACE BEANS will be taught some lesson

Well NVSemin you started with this quote and then got all religious on us to try and back it up.
You have a beam in your eye over what you determine is a splinter in beans.

I gave up asking if you would reach down and help out another cause I got more scriptural stuff as well as unjustly stating that im taking my scriptural line that I put in out of context and it isnt.

The whole chapter I just put up right there is the exact context we are talking about. Its about doing whats right,action and producing, not talking and preaching.

[walrus]

We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




Greenpeace UK

You are bunch of hypocrites
I wish these GREENPEACE BEANS will be taught some lesson

Well NVSemin you started with this quote and then got all religious on us to try and back it up.
You have a beam in your eye over what you determine is a splinter in beans.

I gave up asking if you would reach down and help out another cause I got more scriptural stuff as well as unjustly stating that im taking my scriptural line that I put in out of context and it isnt.

The whole chapter I just put up right there is the exact context we are talking about. Its about doing whats right,action and producing, not talking and preaching.

St Francis of Assisi told his followers "Now go out and preach the gospel, but use no words."

[Dark Lord Al]

All the religious nuts go to a thread of your own , Beanz gave his point of view on the activists , which is fine , how the fuck did we get on the fairy tale of religion ?

If you wanna chat about GOD go start your own thread and I for one will not bother you there.

[walrus]

All the religious nuts go to a thread of your own , Beanz gave his point of view on the activists , which is fine , how the fuck did we get on the fairy tale of religion ?

If you wanna chat about GOD go start your own thread and I for one will not bother you there.

How many threads here actually stay on topic. If we made a God thread it would undoubtedly turn into a Mexico v Puerto Rican debate.

[Andre]

All the religious nuts go to a thread of your own , Beanz gave his point of view on the activists , which is fine , how the fuck did we get on the fairy tale of religion ?

If you wanna chat about GOD go start your own thread and I for one will not bother you there.

How many threads here actually stay on topic. If we made a God thread it would undoubtedly turn into a Mexico v Puerto Rican debate.

Thing is Christians take that line "if you confess me to men I will confess you to the Father thing way too far" ( I mean to say what about confessing him to women too)!!!

So they do it every chance they get what ever the subject matter,they are waiting there for the moment to turn the subject into a why they must preach to you.

Similar to cold call door knocking online.

Still the other week I have to hand it to the Mormons (Church of latter day saints ) they walk their talk.
They were the only group around here and one I have nothing to do with what so ever, who brought cooked food around to my doorstep and left it there,just cause they heard what happened through someone else. They went right up in my estimation, now on par with the Salvation Army. There are some great people out there in every area you can imagine.

[walrus]

I hear you, I also have respect for the Mormons and the Jehovas. Granted they can be annoying coming to the door and what not but they are trying to do the right thing. That book of Mormon is a tough read. I am neither a Jehovah's or a Mormon but many of them have been sincere in the discussions I have had with them