HBO - SKY SPORTS -Marquez v Bradley - SATURDAY NIGHT FIGHT CHAT THREAD

[IamInuit]

Don't see how any of you guys can call this a draw. 2 point win for Marquez is borderline slippery. I thought Bradley won quite comfortably and deserved the ud. And I take little pleasure if any in saying that.

Bradley won on points because you cant see every punch. I didn't see compubox. what happened to it?

The judges cant. I see more then them from my living room with all the camera angles afforded us. No blind spots really in comparison. Most of the fight would not have been effected by those blind spots and the judges at ringside should have seen everything because of the way it was fought.

Compubox is a sad attempt to excite the broadcast and is done by technicians holding clickers with multiple buttons that dont know the difference between a shot to the junk and a jab and if they did broadcast the numbers I'd wager they would still show Bradley way ahead in both thrown and landed % pts. Marquez looked like I was hoping he would not and proved at least to me that he blew his last wad in the last Paq fight.

I hear what you are saying bud but this looked pretty cut and dry after the first 4 rounds.

I mean I had it evening up at times and trying to find way fro Marquez but Tim kind of ran away with it over the last half

You yourself posted ya had it 6-4 bradley after the tenth, you don't think the eleventh and twelfth were marquez rounds, I thought those were the clearest rounds as bradley went to sleep, so really 6-6 should have been the conclusion on your card, no?

Like I have said I leaned towards Marquez in rds that I think he kind of lost. Bias on my part. Tim coasted a bit over the last rd or 2 and still won them. Rds are 3 minutes, not 30 seconds.

[armin]

Don't see how any of you guys can call this a draw. 2 point win for Marquez is borderline slippery. I thought Bradley won quite comfortably and deserved the ud. And I take little pleasure if any in saying that.

Bradley won on points because you cant see every punch. I didn't see compubox. what happened to it?

The judges cant. I see more then them from my living room with all the camera angles afforded us. No blind spots really in comparison. Most of the fight would not have been effected by those blind spots and the judges at ringside should have seen everything because of the way it was fought.

Compubox is a sad attempt to excite the broadcast and is done by technicians holding clickers with multiple buttons that dont know the difference between a shot to the junk and a jab and if they did broadcast the numbers I'd wager they would still show Bradley way ahead in both thrown and landed % pts. Marquez looked like I was hoping he would not and proved at least to me that he blew his last wad in the last Paq fight.

I hear what you are saying bud but this looked pretty cut and dry after the first 4 rounds.

I mean I had it evening up at times and trying to find way fro Marquez but Tim kind of ran away with it over the last half

You yourself posted ya had it 6-4 bradley after the tenth, you don't think the eleventh and twelfth were marquez rounds, I thought those were the clearest rounds as bradley went to sleep, so really 6-6 should have been the conclusion on your card, no?

Like I have said I leaned towards Marquez in rds that I think he kind of lost. Bias on my part. Tim coasted a bit over the last rd or 2 and still won them. Rds are 3 minutes, not 30 seconds.

I don't see how you give the 11th to bradley he literally didnt do jack even the uber biased sky commentary had that one for marquez, and well the 12th i guess if you wana ignore everything till the last ten seconds you can give it to bradley on one big punch landed....well i guess that's the fucked up thing with boxing never any agreement...

[Beanflicker]

I thought Bradley won the fight, but I don't think it was anywhere near as cut and dry as Harold Lederman and the HBO commentators thought it was.

It was a very close fight and a case can be made for either guy.

[Beanz]

I think both commentary teams on either side of the Atlantic were way to eager to heap praise on Bradley for looking busy, and very reticent to acknowledge Marquez, even when he landed combinations. They were literally spouting nonsense like "Marquez is not landing a thing here" as he unloaded 3 or 4 shots in quick succession on action man's (G.I Joe's) ribs.
It was a close fight but I can not see how anybody could have given Bradley the first 3 and last 2 rounds and so a draw or close decision either way is understandable. Putting my completely neutral head on, Bradley just scraped a win but if any one thinks that is a dominant performance they are deluded. I have to be upfront though and admit that I just cannot abide Bradley and his mahoosive cranium to the ridiculous level that even people calling him Tim pisses me off. He should get a shot at Floyd but I can see lesser men beating him and FMJ swerving him.

Cruz was brave but predictably outgunned by Salad bowl and Lomachenko will toss off the challenge of meeting the Mexican in only his second Pro fight without needing to hide his own quality ingredients with such an extravagant dressing.

[Beanz]

Post Fight Presser

[killersheep]

For what it's worth I had it 116-112 Bradley.
I gave Marquez the 1st, some middle round, 10th and 11th. There were many rounds that were close, but Bradley did a fantastic job of taking away the effectivity of Marquez's aggression. I can easily see how the scores could be all over the place. I gave Bradley the 12th as he really hurt Marquez, if he would have jumped on him instead of celebrating he probably would have got a KD as Dinamita's legs were scrambled.

[beenKOed]

For what it's worth I had it 116-112 Bradley.
I gave Marquez the 1st, some middle round, 10th and 11th. There were many rounds that were close, but Bradley did a fantastic job of taking away the effectivity of Marquez's aggression. I can easily see how the scores could be all over the place. I gave Bradley the 12th as he really hurt Marquez, if he would have jumped on him instead of celebrating he probably would have got a KD as Dinamita's legs were scrambled.

Excellent post, could not agree more.

[IamInuit]

I don't see how you give the 11th to bradley he literally didnt do jack even the uber biased sky commentary had that one for marquez, and well the 12th i guess if you wana ignore everything till the last ten seconds you can give it to bradley on one big punch landed....well i guess that's the fucked up thing with boxing never any agreement...

By POD Index:

Timothy Bradley won by a split decision, with Glenn Feldman scoring it 7 to 5 for JMM. Robert Hoyle saw is 7-5 for Bradley, and Patricia Morse-Jarman scored it 8 rounds to 4 for Bradley. Glenn Feldman was in the majority in more rounds than Jarman and Hoyle, however.

Judge Consistency %

Feldman 70.8

Hoyle 54.2

Jarman 58.3

Most interestingly, in 7 of the 12 rounds, Marquez won on at least 2 of the 3 judges’ scorecards. In other words, under the consensus scoring system, Marquez would have won 115-113.

Funny thing this judging.

[armin]

."CompuBox official punch statistics from the fight had Bradley landing 168 of 562 punches thrown, with Marquez landing 153 of 455 punches thrown. Marquez landed more power punches, 89 of 224, with Bradley landing 71 from 186 thrown." I just don't see this domination that most everyone else is seeing and those cards and numbers back it up i think. They effectively landed the same amount, marquez had more consensus rounds on the judges cards than bradley, yet to score it for marquez is crazy? and yeah i know compubox can be misleading and all but to me everything about this fights points to a close fight that could have gone either way rather than a boxing clinic put on by bradley as some seem to have it

[armin]

also seems like every big time boxer gets the benefit from the judges( a close fight going their way) or even get a "gift" here or there during their career, yet marquez seems to never do, so imo its understandable when he complains about judges decisions as they never seem to favor him in a close fight.