Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[Hulk]

2 votes so far put him in the top 10 ever? haha. is that a joke.

im somebody who never used to give wlad credit but i give him a lot more credit now than i used to. he is nowhere near top 10 ever though. my main argument is that he started dominating once the competition died out. no more lewis, tua, ruiz (yes, i just said ruiz), holyfield (even an older holyfield), or even a prime rahman. there are a few other alright HWs at that time but im not going to take time to check out who i missed.

my point being that he lost to lesser opposition earlier in his career. and some of these fights were when he was a vetran like against sanders and brewster. he had quite a few years experience under his belt at the time of those losses. then the loss he should have had that people forget about is davaryll williamson who knocked him down with a jab and then the fight was stopped due to a headbutt i think. anyways, williamson should have gotten the decision but they gave it to wlad.

i admit that he did get better since that time due to manny working with him, but since then, he hasnt actually fought one fighter i would consider "good." the best fighter he faced was haye and he isnt a HW and ran most of the fight. i actually probably rank him higher on this list because of his accomplishments rather than where i think he actually deserves to be.

Very well said and pretty much how I feel. Although I think I give Wlad a lil more credit than you do, but not by much.

He's a different fighter than he was in the Sanders and Brewster fights. Much more confident and effective.

The Davarryl Williamson fight was a shit show and sham with stopping the fight before Wlad most likely was KO'd.

Again he's progressed a lot since then, but these things did happen.

[brocktonblockbust]

Top 10 All Time (not in order):

Marciano
Louis
Ali
Holmes
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Lewis
Frazier
Holyfield

11-20

Schmeling
Baer
Tunney
Liston
Walcott
Norton
Tyson
Charles
Bowe
Jeffries

21-30
Shavers
K1
K2
no higher than 22 and 23

[Gandalf]

16-25. Tyson stops him in 2 and Ali bamboozles him in 7.

Vitali Klitschko is the better fighter of the two.

[Beanflicker]

I disagree with a lot of what is usually said about the Klitschkos.

1. I firmly believe, peak for peak, Wlad was the superior brother. He never had Vitali's chin but I think his boxing skills surpassed those of his brother.

2. I think Wlad and Vitali often suffer from the perception that cleaning out the division was a two man job as opposed to one individual, and to a certain extent that is true.

3. I don't buy the fact that this HW division is as weak as people think.

4. With the skills and size that Wlad has, he's a brutal night for ANY HW fighter in the history of the sport.

I rank him top 10 for sure.

[Hulk]

16-25. Tyson stops him in 2 and Ali bamboozles him in 7.

Vitali Klitschko is the better fighter of the two.

Tyson is quite short and it may take him a few rounds to catch Wlad, but once he did...

[Britkid]

If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.

As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.

[El Kabong]

If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.

As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.

Why? I mean given the length of reign as champion, the amount of title fights, the successful defenses in a row, the sheer dominance he has shown...why only "top 30"? And why behind Vitali?

[ross]

He hasnt ever even been the undisputed best in his own era so very, very low.

Go back through all the greats over the years, there was never another fighter around that could also letitimately call himself a world champion.

There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.

[Britkid]

If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.

As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.

Why? I mean given the length of reign as champion, the amount of title fights, the successful defenses in a row, the sheer dominance he has shown...why only "top 30"? And why behind Vitali?

He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World. He has beaten everything put in front of him comfortably for coming up for a decade, but the era is so weak and THE meaningful fight so untouchable, it hurts his resume.

As for Vitali over Wlad, well as a big Brother myself, I would not for one second, not belief I would be the dominant brother in 'physical altercations', no matter that I have not had a 'brawl' with my brothers in 15/20 years! Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.

[oakleyno1]

Top 10 All Time (not in order):

Marciano
Louis
Holmes
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Lewis
Frazier
Jeffries
Holyfield

11-20

Schmeling
Baer
Tunney
Liston
Walcott
Norton
Tyson
Charles
Bowe
Shavers

21-30
K1
K2
no higher than 21 and 22

Not sure if I missed it but where is Ali!?